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View Poll Results: Tony Iommi or Jimmy Page?
Tony Iommi 50 41.67%
Jimmy Page 70 58.33%
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:12 PM   #331 (permalink)
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Now is this a fact or an opinion?`
Fact.

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Old 09-01-2016, 01:13 PM   #332 (permalink)
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There are facts about what makes a good or bad guitar player
So why in the hell would you be arguing that you don't believe that? Just because Frownland seemed to be supporting you and was arguing that you don't believe there are any such facts?
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Fact.
Is this an objective or a subjective word?
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:14 PM   #334 (permalink)
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So why in the hell would you be arguing that you don't believe that?
I never said I don't believe Jimmy Page is a good guitarist, in fact, I stressed that I mentioned he is a good guitarist multiple times, however, I also mentioned that there are far better guitarists. Which is true.
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Is this an objective or a subjective word?
When are we not making subjective into objective?
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Is this an objective or a subjective word?
As text, as a sound, etc. it's objective. In terms of semantics, it's subjective, of course, since meaning is subjective period.
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I never said I don't believe Jimmy Page is a good guitarist, in fact, I stressed that I mentioned he is a good guitarist multiple times, however, I also mentioned that there are far better guitarists. Which is true.
I'm sorry, but what I asked you was why you'd be arguing that you don't believe there are any facts about certain properties amounting to being a good or bad guitarist. That's what I'd be interesed in you answering.
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I'm sorry, but what I asked you was why you'd be arguing that you don't believe there are any facts about certain properties amounting to being a good or bad guitarist. That's what I'd be interesed in you answering.
Because in the grand scheme of things, it's all based on how you perceive those facts into your own opinion. There are facts that you have to follow to be a good/great guitar player i.e. guitar lessons, perfecting your craft, etc. Many guitarists are above the caliber that Jimmy Page sits at. Not everybody is going to see the facts the same way when it comes to playing guitar, because everyone has a different perspective of what they believe is considered a good or bad guitar player.
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That's two more takes than I've ever done.
What part of the word different do you not understand?
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Because in the grand scheme of things, it's all based on how you perceive those facts into your own opinion. There are facts that you have to follow to be a good/great guitar player i.e. guitar lessons, perfecting your craft, etc. Many guitarists are above the caliber that Jimmy Page sits at. Not everybody is going to see the facts the same way when it comes to playing guitar, because everyone has a different perspective of what they believe is considered a good or bad guitar player.
Wait, so in your view, (a) we can know the facts of being a good or bad guitar player, or (b) we can't know them directly, at least, and it's always a matter of "how one perceives the facts in question into their own opinion"?
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