Win Janszoon Over to the Beatles

**Janszoon** · 09-14-2012, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

it's supposed to sound as if you were high

i don't find it "****ty", more "unique"

Being high sounds like awkward guitar playing? Drugs really have gotten better since the 60s.

Howard the Duck · 09-14-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Being high sounds like awkward guitar playing? Drugs really have gotten better since the 60s.

well, it's deliberate, if that's what you meant

George wasn't a slacker

**Janszoon** · 09-14-2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

well, it's deliberate, if that's what you meant

George wasn't a slacker

I can't speak to the man's motivations, all I can say is that his guitar playing on this track is distractingly crappy once you notice it. The song would have been much better without it.

Howard the Duck · 09-14-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I can't speak to the man's motivations, all I can say is that his guitar playing on this track is distractingly crappy once you notice it. The song would have been much better without it.

fair enough

opinions

William Zanzinger · 09-15-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

How would you sum up your opinion of The Beatles, a good
But overrated band? Or a decent and extremely overrated band?

It`s impossible to quantify, but they are probably the best band ever.
Not overrated IMO.

Neapolitan · 09-17-2012, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Probably "good but overrated". It would be hard for them not to be overrated with the reputation that have but they do have some great stuff that I come to enjoy a lot more since starting this thread.

Half of rating is from the critics and the other half from their fans. I don't think the feeling of fans for The Beatle should be seen as a criteria of them being over-rated. I don't think The Beatles are over-rate because simply they were the favorite band of their generation.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

It's supposed to sound shitty? Well in that case they achieved their goal. I'm not talking about key it's in though, I'm talking about the actual playing, which sound like a new member joined the band and was struggling to keep up.

Who where you expecting George to play like Michael Angelo Batio?

That's just how they played guitar in the 60s, and I enjoy the style even if it sounds counterintuitive to how guitar playing should sound like. There isn't much difference imo in his approach to his guitar playing on that song than say how the guitar players of of the 60s played. The Rolling Stones and the Velvet Underground played their guitars like they were just a new members who joined a band. I think George's playing is brilliant now that you mention it, because it matches perfectly the style of the other musicians playing thier instruments in a somewhat sluggish and rough manner. It's suppose to be an advant garde piece for it's time I think they did pretty well.

There are different versions of the song. I love Georges playing on Strawberry Fields Forever (Take 7 and Edit Piece) as well.

Surell · 09-17-2012, 11:33 PM

I actually like the guitar on Strawberry Fields, it's kinda raw or something. Also, who hates Bungalow Bill? It's so much fun, and i personally love the little sax twist at the end.

Also, I've been kinda won over too, and Abbey Road's my favorite. Jansz you can have your thread back :)

**Janszoon** · 09-18-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Who where you expecting George to play like Michael Angelo Batio? That's just how they played guitar in the 60s, and I enjoy the style even if it sounds counterintuitive to how guitar playing should sound like. There isn't much difference imo in his approach to his guitar playing on that song than say how the guitar players of of the 60s played. The Rolling Stones and the Velvet Underground played their guitars like they were just a new members who joined a band. I think George's playing is brilliant now that you mention it, because it matches perfectly the style of the other musicians playing thier instruments in a somewhat sluggish and rough manner. It's suppose to be an advant garde piece for it's time I think they did pretty well.

There are different versions of the song. I love Georges playing on Strawberry Fields Forever (Take 7 and Edit Piece) as well.

lol wut. That's not "just how they played guitar in the 60s". There are boatloads of examples of better guitar playing from the 60s, including many from George Harrison himself.

Howard the Duck · 09-18-2012, 05:44 AM

don't force me to hit you over the head with a Rickenbacker 12-string

NYSPORTSFAN · 09-18-2012, 09:32 AM

Music is a subjective thing. I have had people try to convice me that Velvet Undground tracks like "Sister Ray" and "European Son" are great songs but to me there garbage.

As for Magical Mystery Tour here is my review.

Magical Mystery Tour- Nice combination of R&B, rock and jazzy trumpets which actually was an influence on bands like Chicago. BBC sound effects tape of traffic riding past a microphone to good effect, too, panning in across the stereo spectrum at various points of the recording. Which they could have expanded on the jazz outro.

Fool on the Hill- Nice blend of flutes/recorders and piano. Some psychedelic touches with backward harmonicas and noises at the end that I can't really describe. A beutiful melody also.

Flying - It's like Booker T & MGS meets Space Rock. Melltron and innovative use of backwards tape loops makes it another trademark Beatles song.

Blue Jay Way- Very Indian influenced track with no guitar or sitar. Use of vocals through Leslie Spearkers, phasing on the drums, lone cello and backward instrumenation makes it another song filled with odd sounds.

Your Mother Should Know- The mono version with phasing on Ringo drums makes the song a Dance Hall meets psychedelia.

I Am The Walrus- Stomping, electric piano-driven beat married to avant-garde tape loops, sampled taped radio broadcasts, strings, brass, choirs. distorted lead vocal and Mellotron.

Strawberry Fields Forever- Childlike lyrics -enhanced-by-acid-trip-inspired track. One of the first notable use of Mellotron. Backwards cymbals to exotic instrumentation to tape loops to tape-speed manipulation to over-compressed drums and bass to outside orchestration. The arrangement is effectively dynamic and atmospheric. Spooky tacked-on false ending, too.

Penny Lane- Possibly Pet Sounds-influenced but in the end sounding very much Beatlesque. Nice baroque touches using piccolo trumpet and use of pianos recorded through a guitar amp. Another great melody with an interesting use of feedback at the end on either harmonium or piano.

Baby You're A Rich Man- A psychedelic rocker with funky overtones and Oriental sounding electroncic parts. A track that I could imagine Prince doing.

All You Need Is Love- Not really one of my favorite Beatles tracks but the hippie love theme that the Beatles started on the "The Word" on Rubber Soul is realized here. Unusual use of time signatures and the blending of various songs on the fade-out makes it an interesting song.

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NYSPORTSFAN Groupie Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 28	Music is a subjective thing. I have had people try to convice me that Velvet Undground tracks like "Sister Ray" and "European Son" are great songs but to me there garbage. As for Magical Mystery Tour here is my review. Magical Mystery Tour- Nice combination of R&B, rock and jazzy trumpets which actually was an influence on bands like Chicago. BBC sound effects tape of traffic riding past a microphone to good effect, too, panning in across the stereo spectrum at various points of the recording. Which they could have expanded on the jazz outro. Fool on the Hill- Nice blend of flutes/recorders and piano. Some psychedelic touches with backward harmonicas and noises at the end that I can't really describe. A beutiful melody also. Flying - It's like Booker T & MGS meets Space Rock. Melltron and innovative use of backwards tape loops makes it another trademark Beatles song. Blue Jay Way- Very Indian influenced track with no guitar or sitar. Use of vocals through Leslie Spearkers, phasing on the drums, lone cello and backward instrumenation makes it another song filled with odd sounds. Your Mother Should Know- The mono version with phasing on Ringo drums makes the song a Dance Hall meets psychedelia. I Am The Walrus- Stomping, electric piano-driven beat married to avant-garde tape loops, sampled taped radio broadcasts, strings, brass, choirs. distorted lead vocal and Mellotron. Strawberry Fields Forever- Childlike lyrics -enhanced-by-acid-trip-inspired track. One of the first notable use of Mellotron. Backwards cymbals to exotic instrumentation to tape loops to tape-speed manipulation to over-compressed drums and bass to outside orchestration. The arrangement is effectively dynamic and atmospheric. Spooky tacked-on false ending, too. Penny Lane- Possibly Pet Sounds-influenced but in the end sounding very much Beatlesque. Nice baroque touches using piccolo trumpet and use of pianos recorded through a guitar amp. Another great melody with an interesting use of feedback at the end on either harmonium or piano. Baby You're A Rich Man- A psychedelic rocker with funky overtones and Oriental sounding electroncic parts. A track that I could imagine Prince doing. All You Need Is Love- Not really one of my favorite Beatles tracks but the hippie love theme that the Beatles started on the "The Word" on Rubber Soul is realized here. Unusual use of time signatures and the blending of various songs on the fade-out makes it an interesting song.