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Old 05-18-2011, 07:18 PM   #1001 (permalink)
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CHCl3, it sounds like your arguing but I'm not sure exactly what... Anyways, the 90s Knicks teams and LeBron's Cavs aren't similiar at all. They were different in every way except neither won a ring, which can be said for every team but 1 every year.

I think boozin is just saying Cleveland is a miserable sports city.. and it is. It's one of the worst in the entire country.
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:33 PM   #1002 (permalink)
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Depends. When the Knicks were a great team in the mid-late 90's I rather enjoyed those times even though they never won squat. Hell I look at those times with fond memories.



That's not anyone else's fault but the Cleveland Cavaliers. They couldn't get the job done and paid the price.



WTF?

How in the hell is a team playing right now supposed to retroactively make people feel better a year ago?



The Browns sucking is only the fault of the Browns.

Also no I will not be cutting them some slack (except for baseball due to whole no salary cap thing). They need to stop sucking. The end.
Since your a Knicks fan I now know what type of fan im talking to. If your having fond memories of remembering how they blew a lead in the 4rth quarter to the Pacers thats your right. Reggie making NBA history by knocking down two threes with seconds left on the clock was a sight to see...only not from the Knicks and Spike Lee side of things. Personally it stings when the Cowboys make it to the playoffs and ****ing lose. Same with Kobe and the Lakers (thats what being a fan is about) The Super Bowl victories are what tends to restore hope and serve as a reminder that we at least have accomplished something.
Managment screw ups and failures shouldnt pave the way for the city and fans to suffer as a whole in Cleveland.

I said Cleveland doesnt and hasnt had anything really to be proud of other than LBJ..to which you responed with a Indians refference. Saying they are winning at the moment in their division....to which I responded by sayng if the indians were enough to keep the citys head above water hopes wise (ever might i add) the sting of losing LBJ wouldnt have stung so bad. So you cant annoint the f*cking Indians as the citys messiah and savior. If that were the case see above stament for clarification.

Btw are you a Giants fan as well?

And yea Dirty thats all im saying is that let the under dog have their moment. They are few and far between for a city like Cleveland

Bulls vs Heat im going to be irrational here and say Bulls win and go up 2 nothing in the series. 90 to 84 final.... Just for the hell of it

Update-Chicago had a chance to win this game in all fairness. Ive never been more frustrated watching a team than I was watching Chicago tonight. Towards the end just sloppy sloppy play from them and very little offense. Every time the Bulls had a chance to pull ahead or tie in the last 5 mins of the 4rth. They would turn the ball over and then give up boards on the other end. Jesus you cant give lebron and Wade more free chances to score. I thought most the game was played pretty well by the Bulls up till the 4rth. They had taken the big 3 out of the game as much as you could hope for up till that point. Of course Haslem for the heat was knocking down shots but you live with that if your the Bulls. They had several chances to capitalize and put the game away but failed to down the stretch. So now they head to Miami all tied at a game a piece and cross their fingers that they can get a win there and keep this thing close.
Might I add that if Rose doesnt play at a Mvp level every night then the Bulls dont win.
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:50 PM   #1003 (permalink)
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CHCl3, it sounds like your arguing but I'm not sure exactly what... Anyways, the 90s Knicks teams and LeBron's Cavs aren't similiar at all. They were different in every way except neither won a ring, which can be said for every team but 1 every year.

I think boozin is just saying Cleveland is a miserable sports city.. and it is. It's one of the worst in the entire country.
I'm arguing that they shouldn't be some sort of pity party for a team/city that had one bad year after many great years previously.

Yes while they may have been some differences they were ultimately have one key factor. They were both team that some, myself included, think should have one at least 1 title during their time.

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Since your a Knicks fan I now know what type of fan im talking to. If your having fond memories of remembering how they blew a lead in the 4rth quarter to the Pacers thats your right. Reggie making NBA history by knocking down two threes with seconds left on the clock was a sight to see...only not from the Knicks and Spike Lee side of things.
Yes there were bad times with those teams, but there were also some good times. Such as the 1999 miracle run and being a part of that 15 straight post-season appearance stretch. However I would gladly trade having to suffer through the 00's Knicks for the 00's Cavs or the 90's Knicks. At least they weren't a national laughing stock.

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Managment screw ups and failures shouldnt pave the way for the city and fans to suffer as a whole in Cleveland.
Those are the cards that are dealt. I don't like suffering through the idiot that is James Dolan but I don't expect anyone to hold a telethon in my honor.

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I said Cleveland doesnt and hasnt had anything really to be proud of other than LBJ..to which you responed with a Indians refference. Saying they are winning at the moment in their division....to which I responded by sayng if the indians were enough to keep the citys head above water hopes wise (ever might i add) the sting of losing LBJ wouldnt have stung so bad. So you cant annoint the f*cking Indians as the citys messiah and savior. If that were the case see above stament for clarification.
Why wouldn't the Indians keep their hopes up? I know it's only the beginning of the season but the way they are starting can definitely lead some people to have some hope. Nevertheless they at least aren't sucking at the present moment.

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Old 05-18-2011, 10:57 PM   #1004 (permalink)
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I'm arguing that they shouldn't be some sort of pity party for a team/city that had one bad year after many great years previously.

Yes while they may have been some differences they were ultimately have one key factor. They were both team that some, myself included, think should have one at least 1 title during their time.



Yes there were bad times with those teams, but there were also some good times. Such as the 1999 miracle run and being a part of that 15 straight post-season appearance stretch. However I would gladly trade having to suffer through the 00's Knicks for the 00's Cavs or the 90's Knicks. At least they weren't a national laughing stock.



That's how the cards are played. I don't like suffering through the idiot that is James Dolan but I don't expect anyone to hold a telethon in my honor.



Why wouldn't the Indians keep their hopes up? I know it's only the beginning of the season but the way they are starting can definitely lead some people to have some hope. Nevertheless they at least aren't sucking at the present moment.



Don't give a **** about the NFL. I can take a nap without the TV on.
I get what your saying man that they shouldnt be americas pity party. I dont really think that they are but thats my opinion. I just think they are deserving of the picks they got.
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I get what your saying man that they shouldnt be americas pity party. I dont really think that they are but thats my opinion. I just think they are deserving of the picks they got.
I guess we can agree to disagree on that point.

BTW, I just reread a few of my posts and I realize that I might have been a bit of a douche to you. For that my bad.
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Naw man you were just stating your side of things and trying to make your point. I thought at one point you were forgetting exzactly where you were going with it but ehh....I dont get all but hurt easily. Some others on here do but most the folks in the sports section of the forum find it comical and have that unspoken knowledge. Meaning we know neither is probally going to give but at the end of the day thats what makes it fun anyway. As opposed to most being really annoyed by it and pitching a whinny fit. Which then is when it gets funny to me...usually once I think I may really start to be annoyed or getting nowhere im just like...ehh...f*uck it. Its funny to see some go way out of their way to try an get to someone though. Stick around and youll see what I mean...tons of laughs.
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boozin you are right, the Bulls even had the big 3 shut down til like halfway through the 4th when LeBron took control and scored like 9 points there at the end. Bulls had no offense though at the end of the game. Partly in my opinion because Wade and LBJ started guarding Rose instead of old man Mike Bibby. Rose didn't play MVP-like tonight and despite the game 1 blowout at the end, the heat have themselves in a pretty good position. I think they'll be tough to beat at home cause their role guys like James Jones go off at home.

Miami's coach Spolstra is doing everything he can to lose this series though. Hmmm let's see, the Bulls dominate Miami in rebounding so he doesn't even dress Ilgauskas who is like 7 foot 3. I think Ilgauskus is still a pretty decent player. Definitely better than Jamal McGloire who hasn't been good in 5 years and only played like 10 games all year. Why the fuck is he even dressing for the game let alone getting minutes?? Why does Juwon Howard ever get on the court? how old is he, 55? Haslem played really well but in the 4th he was tired and gave up two dunks and he shouldn't been benched before that. You don't sit out months with an injury and then be in shape to play as much as he did. Still a good game, but he should've been riding the pine earlier.

And I know guarding Rose would make LBJ or Wade use a lot of energy, but IT'S THE FUCKIN PLAYOFFS. Why is Spolstra guarding the MVP with Mike Bibby? Wade and LeBron are two of the best defenders in the league, why wouldn't you lock one of them on Rose. In the 4th they finally did and Rose was shut down which means the entire team is shut down. Cmon Spolstra, pull your head outta your ass. Bulls could've won tonight, they missed a lot of chances i thought

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I agree, if the Heat lose this series, it's all on Spo(IE: fired). Z was productive in the playoffs prior to this series. No idea why he hasn't dressed yet. His reasoning before game 1 was that Chicago's bigs run the floor really well. The thing is, they are gang rebounding and their only real threat on fast breaks are their perimeter players. I wasn't even aware Magloire still played until this series... He has just been fouling at a high rate and I'm not sure what else. Z has an excellent mid-range jumper and he isn't bad at rebounding/put-backs either.

I see Bibby getting minutes, Chalmers constantly turns the ball over and his shot hasn't been falling. Having said that, Wade should be on Rose the majority of the game, with LBJ spelling him. Also, leaving Haslem out there for that extended period almost lost them the game...

Notice how LeBron decided to take over somewhere in the 3rd? He starting playing with more effort and he *GASP* went down in the post a few times. Why the hell isn't he playing with that kind of energy the whole game?

My theory on LeBron's lack of improvement: His ego is and has been so big since his rookie year(possibly before), that he has thought he was the best player in the league since he entered it. I hope he grasps the concept of growth sooner rather than later(my guess is that Riley and Wade have been in his ear about this lately).

My conspiracy theory on the LA/Mavs series: Cuban payed Gasol's girlfriend to do something extremely unsettling to him before the playoffs started(infidelity, possibly on webcam, followed with ruthless response to his anger).
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lol funny enough I didn't know Magloire was still playing either. I seriously thought he retired like 3 years ago or something. LBJ and Big Z have a great chemistry. I've seen them run the pick-and-pop tons of times and Big Z hits the foul line shot every time. With a guy like Rose you have to have size and length in the lane when he penetrates. There is absolutely no reason Big Z shouldn't be grabbing like 10 minutes a game. You saw how effective Asik was for the Bulls tonight at protecting the rim. The 1st quarter was especially brutal for Miami on the glass, it seemed like Chicago got an offensive board every time down, it was unreal.

Chalmers I always think is gonna improve but never does. Literally all that's asked is he plays decent defense, dribbles the ball to half court, makes routine passes, and hits wide open threes. And he can't even do that, it's pathetic sometimes.

You keep saying about LeBron improving in the post... Do you really want a guy with that athleticism in the post though? They are likely gonna double him anyways. I do think he should go in the post more than he does (which is like never), but I think the Heat are at their best when LeBron is coming off a pick and roll and going in the lane with shooters in the corners and Wade slashing baseline. I think you are too hard on LBJ sometimes man. At his postion he is the best scorer, passer, rebounder, and a pretty good defender. He has improved a ton since his rookie season. Yeah he's not Ray Allen when shooting but he used to be god awful, and now he has confidence to hit step backs and 3's like he did tonight when he faded away in the 4th and sunk a jumper in Deng's eye.
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You keep saying about LeBron improving in the post... Do you really want a guy with that athleticism in the post though? They are likely gonna double him anyways. I do think he should go in the post more than he does (which is like never), but I think the Heat are at their best when LeBron is coming off a pick and roll and going in the lane with shooters in the corners and Wade slashing baseline. I think you are too hard on LBJ sometimes man. At his postion he is the best scorer, passer, rebounder, and a pretty good defender. He has improved a ton since his rookie season. Yeah he's not Ray Allen when shooting but he used to be god awful, and now he has confidence to hit step backs and 3's like he did tonight when he faded away in the 4th and sunk a jumper in Deng's eye.
LeBron going in the post is equivalent to him driving into the lane, he draws a double. It's easier to get in position for a post up(considering his strength) than take someone off the dribble(especially if they trap him).

Most likely, he can create a better shot for himself off a post-up than dribbling in the lane. Obviously, he can't go away from his usual play much, he could just be so fucking dominant if he consistently mixed between the two. The problem with him relying on jumpers is that he often just starts jacking up bad shots a-la Kobe, but he's nowhere near the shooter Bryant is.

Sure, I may be hard on him, but with his talents, he deserves to be graded on a steep curve. He's too good to disappear from games. You see glimpses, I just hope he puts everything together soon.
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