Most overrated bands ever?

[Comus]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

I've argued before that Porcupine Tree, particularly the early stuff, is almost a complete rip-off of Pink Floyd and Genesis, though boo boo does not agree with me on that at all.

Thank god I'm not the only one!

I don't get Porcupine Tree at all, I was intrigued by one of their albums on first listen but it grew old after a few more. It's alright, but nothing I'd listen to, and very very much ripped off.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by dac

Muse are original? If I wanted to hear a bad Radiohead record, I'd put on Pablo Honey...

Don't sound anything like Radiohead.

[Piss Me Off]

Originally Posted by dac

Muse are original? If I wanted to hear a bad Radiohead record, I'd put on Pablo Honey...

Dear lord if i ever hear this comparison again i'm going to put my head through a window. Lazy lazy lazy. When Radiohead decide to release an album of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes please tell me.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

I do agree whole-heartedly about Dream Theatre and Porcupine Tree not being particularly innovative in the slightest and being patent rip-offs of other sounds, in spite of the scores and scores of deluded fanatics who would do anything to prove otherwise. I've argued before that Porcupine Tree, particularly the early stuff, is almost a complete rip-off of Pink Floyd and Genesis, though boo boo does not agree with me on that at all.

And heres the problem, Pink Floyd and Genesis sound nothing alike. How can you rip them both off? Without becoming somewhat original as a result? Especially without sounding anything like all the other prog bands that cite Floyd or Genesis as influences. Wheres the Gilmour solos? The Waters-ish/Gabriel-ish vocals? Because I don't hear it.

I don't think early PT sounds much like Floyd at all, but at least I get the comparison, but Genesis? That one kinda came out of nowhere. While I agree that they're not innovaters, I don't know another band that sounds like them. The Floyd/Porcupine Tree comparisons are just as vague and groundless as the Floyd/Radiohead comparisons.

Floyd don't have the f*cking patent on mellow and trippy music. Nor does mellow and trippy music translate to a complete rip-off of Pink Floyd.

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Dude. That excludes about 97% (or more) of the bands classed as prog today from being prog. It excludes pretty much the entire nu-prog movement. There is practically nothing whatsoever new in that music at all. It's crappy boring rip-off posturing of 70s bands.

As boo boo has argued [EDIT: at the time of making the post I wasn't even aware that an argument had transpired in this thread - Comus is talking absolute bigoted flaming nonsense, though], I don't think prog is necessarily about doing something new and experimental. It's more of a stylistic trait.

Aside from all that, Tool, while crap, don't honestly sound quite like any other band that came before them so it could easily be argued that there is much new in their sonic output. Muse on the other hand do tend to sound like a huge compendium of other, better sounds of yesteryear.

Well you're right about neo prog (I assume that's what you meant by nu, otherwise you'd be wrong). But to say it applies to 97% is pretty damn ignorant.

I love bands like PT, TMV, Tool and Muse. And I find that people who hate these bands fall into one of the following groups.

1. Prog hating hipsters
2. Prog fans who dislike all the newer prog bands that don't fall into the Dream Theater mold

Both annoy me a lot. It's easy to tell that some of you are the former and others are the latter.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I love bands like PT, TMV, Tool and Muse. And I find that people who hate these bands fall into one of the following groups.

1. Prog hating hipsters
2. Prog fans who dislike all the newer prog bands that don't fall into the Dream Theater mold

Both annoy me a lot. It's easy to tell that some of you are the former and others are the latter.

Lol. I'm not number (2), but I'm not really (1) either. While you might argue that I have some unfortunate traits of the 'hipster', I actually quite like some prog. Caravan, for one. Hell, to be completely honest I even kinda like and enjoy Tool when in the right frame of mind - not the garbage of 10,000 Days but the good stuff, like Aenima and Lateralus. I enjoy a lot of Opeth too. And I love Mastodon, and I guess in reality they have to come under the prog umbrella too. I also kinda take an interest in the actual CREATIVE (or at least semi-creative) prog music that comes out today, like that weird-a$s band Battles.

It's the neo-prog stuff that's mostly garbage and intolerable. And that's not because I have some diehard vendetta against prog, it's just because it's derivative without improving at all on the old stuff, and the songs tend to be overly long snoozers.

[boo boo]

I agree about neo prog. I tried getting into bands like IQ and Arena but just couldn't. And I never really understood the appeal of Marillion, progarchives freaking worships these guys for some reason.

And of course I can't stand Dream Theater.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Dear lord if i ever hear this comparison again i'm going to put my head through a window. Lazy lazy lazy. When Radiohead decide to release an album of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes please tell me.

::cough::THE BENDS::cough::

I do think Muse have plainly been partly influenced by the more anthemic side of early Radiohead releases. But yeah, the bands don't really sound alike.

I take issue though which the insinuation that Muse create albums of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes. I don't think that's really true, or rather that it's not generally true of the band. The one exception might be Black Holes & Revelations, but even then, I don't think it was quite as banal as warranting being called 'an album of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes'.

I'd argue that Radiohead came closer to fulfilling that initiative with The Bends than Muse ever have with any of their albums.

[Comus]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I agree about neo prog. I tried getting into bands like IQ and Arena but just couldn't. And I never really understood the appeal of Marillion, progarchives freaking worships these guys for some reason.

And of course I can't stand Dream Theater.

Yes, what the hell is with the Marillion obsession, and Dream Theater bore the hell out of me. I like TMV a hell of a lot, but that's the only well known recent prog band that's really caught my eye. That's of course if you don't include progressive metal, although I have problems calling Opeth prog metal, and I their most recent effort. My problem is that I haven't actually looked for modern prog yet.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

::cough::THE BENDS::cough::

You fail.

I do think Muse have plainly been partly influenced by the more anthemic side of early Radiohead releases. But yeah, the bands don't really sound alike.

Yeah but the influence from classic rock bands like Queen, The Who, Jeff Buckley and Yes are much more present. Matt Bellamy dosen't even like Radiohead that much. He's always compared to Yorke, but his vocals come off as more Freddie Mercury and Jeff Buckley than Thom Yorke to me.

I take issue though which the insinuation that Muse create albums of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes. I don't think that's really true, or rather that it's not generally true of the band. The one exception might be Black Holes & Revelations, but even then, I don't think it was quite as banal as warranting being called 'an album of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes'.

They please their fans, who just happen to love good ol' classic rock and prog.

I'd argue that Radiohead came closer to fulfilling that initiative with The Bends than Muse ever have with any of their albums.

Damn, you must really hate Muse to put it like that.

[Piss Me Off]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

::cough::THE BENDS::cough::

I do think Muse have plainly been partly influenced by the more anthemic side of early Radiohead releases. But yeah, the bands don't really sound alike.

I take issue though which the insinuation that Muse create albums of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes. I don't think that's really true, or rather that it's not generally true of the band. The one exception might be Black Holes & Revelations, but even then, I don't think it was quite as banal as warranting being called 'an album of crowd-pleasing pure rock tunes'.

I'd argue that Radiohead came closer to fulfilling that initiative with The Bends than Muse ever have with any of their albums.

I'd probably be a lot happier jumping around to the tunes on Origin of Symmetry than The Bends, i suppose The Bends songs are a tad more upbeat but i'd get much more of a shot of adrenaline with Muse's songs.

I know it's extreme to say that Muse's albums are completely upbeat rock songs, even BHAR has it's more experimental moments, but for the most part they're full of them consistently, whereas Radiohead had the first 3 albums at the most like that and then moved on.