streetwaves

Show me one.

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Astronomer

Show me as well, because people say this to me all the time yet they can never articulate one of these philosophical theories.

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Freebase Dali

They usually do it via counter-logic.


The funny thing is that everyone is sitting there arguing the logic of the existence of god, when the logic used is specifically bound in the constraints of our known universe.
Since no one knows for sure what exists outside our universe, it's kind of hard to assume that the rules of logic that exist, in this universe, apply to anything outside it.
After all, logic is based on observation of fact. You can't make a logical argument based on an unknown factor.


What that means is that no one knows. So there's really no point in arguing it. That's why "faith" has such a large following... it's the only alternative for most.

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With that said I think athiests are just as delusional as Christians.

I am a Deist, as in I believe that the world was most likely created by an intelligent deity as well as some supernatural phenomenon. However I think there is a scientific explanation for a lot of the so called miracles, ghost sightings and outer body experiences.

So am I delusional for believing there is a god and possibly an afterlife? Maybe, but there's no certainty of anything in this world and there's nothing wrong with believing what you believe weither it's for scientific reasons or just personal reasons.

For me it's personal reasons, I've had a few experiences I can't explain. And thus I'm inclined to believe there is some kind of spiritual presence out there.

At the same time, when I look at the world, it just seems like everything is too complex to be just a fluke, and I'm tired of people telling me that's dumb, as if the universe magically appearing out of nowhere makes a lot more f*cking sense. Speculation is all we can do and anyone who thinks they know how it happened is an idiot.

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Freebase Dali

Anyone who "knows" based on anything other than proof, is delusional.

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So if no one knows what is inside an electron, I can make up something and pass it off as true? Of course not. Atheism isn't some scientific faith that combats religion, it just means a lack of theism. And based on the lack of facts at the time, there is no reason for me to believe in religion.

The topic of deconstruction of logic is one of the better religious arguements though. None of that "Prove/Disprove God" bullshit, if you are logical it makes sense to not have an opinion on it at all, considering there are little facts.

lucifer_sam

most of it is just logical fallacies committed by separate parties. the if/then statements tend to get annoying after a while, as do the combative references to biblical passages.

proving the bible was wrong doesn't mean there isn't a deity somewhere, it just means that the bible was written by humans and is therefore subject to our flaws and imperfections as emotional beings.

in effect it's rather silly to argue about the existence of a divine being when we have absolutely no referential basis to make such blanket statements like "there is/not a god."

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boo boo

I don't claim to know anything, I just know what I believe.

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that's not the same thing.

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Freebase Dali

I wasn't referring to you, but you're absolutely right.
Believing has absolutely nothing to do with knowing.

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cardboard adolescent

so you can know something without believing it?

as for proof, there always has to be some unprovable element that the proof derives its validity from, doesn't there?