How Real Is Christianity?

sleepy jack · 06-19-2009, 02:33 PM

Yeah you did say you didn't find rape to be morally objectionable.

Arya Stark · 06-19-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

You attack something you clearly know nothing about. It seems like you are trying to sound smart by attacking something which is regularly attacked. Of course, these days one can bull**** there way around a true argument by just spouting out cliches.

What about Greek Mythology or Norse Mythology for that matter? They are just as much fairy tales. Albert Camus writes, "Myths are made for the imagination to breathe life into them." If you take the Bible as myth, you should be able to find some value by breathing your own life into it.

Neither. I was pointing out the fact that all he is doing is reciting the cliches to make himself look like a smart atheist.

You could have a reason such as your family choosing it and such. You can't have a real reason though. What I mean is that the choice's will would have never originated in you. Take for instance the idea that you choose a religion because it has a morality you agree with. Well, why didn't you just use that morality in the first place without believing in a god?

The reasons are illogical and therefore irrational.

You have read the bible, correct?

And do you consider yourself of a specific religion?

TheCunningStunt · 06-19-2009, 02:38 PM

I read the fable of the boy who cried wolf, which teaches us not to lie.

I still lie.

Just because I've read it, doesn't mean I'm gonna live by it..

Inuzuka Skysword · 06-19-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I said that the bible similar to a fable..

A fable is something in which, there is a story, but underneith that story, is a deeper meaning.. and morals.

Just like the bible.

The boy who cried wolf teaches you not to lie, the bible teachers you to behave or off to hell you go.

Yes, and each story in the Bible has a deeper meaning. What I have a problem with is that you read all sorts of stories with deeper meanings under them, but I don't see you throwing a fit about them. I doubt you do. What is the last fiction story you read?

As far as Bible teachers telling you that, I am pretty sure the religious text is where you will find the religion. The people demonstrate it and it becomes tainted. I don't think that being poor is awesome simply because there are a couple of starving artists creating good art.

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You have read the bible, correct?

And do you consider yourself of a specific religion?

I would consider myself a weak atheist. I am a weak atheist in that if I ever found a reason to not be one I would surrender my beliefs. However, atheism is the most rational option. Of course, the term comes no where close to describing my beliefs about things.

I have read the Bible probably numerous times. I was a Christian at one time, one who read the Bible.

Arya Stark · 06-19-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I would consider myself a weak atheist. I am a weak atheist in that if I ever found a reason to not be one I would surrender my beliefs. However, atheism is the most rational option. Of course, the term comes no where close to describing my beliefs about things.

I have read the Bible probably numerous times. I was a Christian at one time, one who read the Bible.

Have you read it since you stopped being a Christian?

I know what you mean.

cavanherk · 06-19-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Well, why didn't you just use that morality in the first place without believing in a god?

The reasons are illogical and therefore irrational.

Isn't it logical to seek self-preservation? Therefore, isn't it rational to choose a religion? To work toward some type of rewarding existence after life?

It's logical to run as fast as possible from a predator to live another day. How about living as well as possible to live another life, or an afterlife? Maybe the question isn't in the reasons...but the human nature to "survive." Could it be human nature to gravitate to a religion, given the awareness humans have of impending, inescapable death? Doesn't that become a reason to certain people who otherwise were not raised into a particular religion?

I'm not religious but I am not atheist. Just observing and learning...trying not to take any sides in this discussion. Now, back to the music banter...for now.

TheCunningStunt · 06-19-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Yes, and each story in the Bible has a deeper meaning. What I have a problem with is that you read all sorts of stories with deeper meanings under them, but I don't see you throwing a fit about them. I doubt you do. What is the last fiction story you read?

As far as Bible teachers telling you that, I am pretty sure the religious text is where you will find the religion. The people demonstrate it and it becomes tainted. I don't think that being poor is awesome simply because there are a couple of starving artists creating good art.

Who Moved My Cheese.

You have a problem with how I've read all sorts of stories with deeper meanings under them, but I'm not throwing a fit about them.

Since when was I throwing a fit about the bible, I'm just saying they are over-dressed fables.

Arya Stark · 06-19-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Who Moved My Cheese.

You have a problem with how I've read all sorts of stories with deeper meanings under them, but I'm not throwing a fit about them.

Since when was I throwing a fit about the bible, I'm just saying they are over-dressed fables.

Then throw a fit about Goldilocks and the Three Bears

Bears can't talk.

TheCunningStunt · 06-19-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar

Then throw a fit about Goldilocks and the Three Bears

Bears can't talk.

Again, I said it was a book of fables.

Hardly throwing a fit is it?

/facepalm

Inuzuka Skysword · 06-19-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cavanherk

Isn't it logical to seek self-preservation? Therefore, isn't it rational to choose a religion? To work toward some type of rewarding existence after life?

It's logical to run as fast as possible from a predator to live another day. How about living as well as possible to live another life, or an afterlife? Maybe the question isn't in the reasons...but the human nature to "survive." Could it be human nature to gravitate to a religion, given the awareness humans have of impending, inescapable death? Doesn't that become a reason to certain people who otherwise were not raised into a particular religion?

I'm not religious but I am not atheist. Just observing and learning...trying not to take any sides in this discussion. Now, back to the music banter...for now.

Let me put it this way. My goal in life is to be as happy as possible. There will be things I have to do in order to get there. One thing would be to find out what my destination is, happiness. What is happiness? I figure it out. So now I have to find how I am going to get there. This is a morality. So I get my morality. Now I must go to my destination, or live by my morality. I do so.

Where does a god fit in this picture? Where he would fit in would be in the area of the destination. Basically, believing in a god and such becomes part of the goal. All religions create that goal for you to follow. However, is it really your goal? Nope. It is the goal of the religion. Basically, your existence would then be wasted on living for a goal that has nothing to do with who you really are. You will never enjoy it.

Now let's look at it differently. Let's say believing in a god becomes part of your morality. In other words, let's say you believe in a god in order to achieve that happiness. This is what you are describing. Your argument is that one could believe in God because it is part of our nature. I disagree because I don't believe humans have any nature. Existence precedes essence. You say that we might believe to escape death, however I would like to ask how this would lead you to your goal of happiness. How is one happier thinking that they will live a day longer than they might have? One isn't happy until he is in that moment. We have no clue of what life after death is. How can you possibly enjoy something which you have no true conception of? You might believe it is better, but is there anything you have to do to get it? If yes, then I would question how this specific morality makes you happier.

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Have you read it since you stopped being a Christian?

Yes, I read it occasionally. I also try to read the Quran, but I have no clue how to understand it. I have to ask a Muslim friend to help me read it.

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TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	I read the fable of the boy who cried wolf, which teaches us not to lie. I still lie. Just because I've read it, doesn't mean I'm gonna live by it..