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View Poll Results: Is suicide cowardly?
Yes 39 20.74%
No 79 42.02%
Sometimes, depends on the circumstances (kids etc.) 70 37.23%
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:19 PM   #111 (permalink)
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I haven't read any of the posts before writing this one, but I'll get to it. I apologize for my hasty perusing, but I was anxious just to throw my words into the fodder of fire.

Is suicide cowardly? No, I don't think it is, but I do think it's selfish.

Hell, I'm a selfish guy. I think every human is selfish in a way. We all think about our own consequences and future, right?

On Saturday, that will mark the two-year anniversary for my girlfriend and I. Over the past two years we have made so many amazing memories. We have even been through hell and back. Cliche, I know, but it's the truth!

Now, if I lost her, I can't imagine how my life would be or how I'd live. I practically depend on her for my own happiness. She makes me so darn happy. Losing her would push me to the brink of wanting to end my life. Is that erroneous thinking on my part? Selfishness? Definitely. Would I be disregarding my friends and family and their feelings? Most definitely, I would be doing that.

Feelings... pain... they will drive people up and down a wall, to the point of acting upon impulse, without thinking.

I'm not even sure where I'm going with this post. I'll come back with more verbiage in a little while.
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Old 09-09-2010, 07:37 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Well, I don't know if people here would think I'd be a coward, and to a certain extent I really don't give a **** about what people here think of it, especially if they don't have clinical depression, but the only reason I HAVEN'T committed suicide is because of my family. I would never do that to them.

It doesn't help the depression though, and the medicine never helped either. So it's really ****ty living in the state I live in. I've gone to so much therapy, have had so many anti-depressants shoved down my throat, and they usually have a three or four month honeymoon period before it creeps back into my skull, regardless of what I take.

But the thought of living like this for forty or fifty years is terrifying and even more depressing. But I'll keep on for a while.
Same here, I have a family that relies on me to put food on the table. I took out a $250k life insurance policy last month and was just committed last tuesday for a week. Along with what you said, there is a period where life is bearable, then I slowly slip into being overwhelmed and hit rock bottom. If I make it through the low, then its back to square one with the knowledge of what is to come. I have been dual diagnosed with manic depression/bipolar disorder and a substance abuse problem (depressants of all things). I feel that I cant go through with it, so I set myself up for failure. I lead an extremely risky life with no fear or remorse other than bringing hardship and pain upon the people that love me. No one had any idea, until I ended up in the looney bin 8 states away.

I have never cut myself or let anyone know how I felt until just recently because it has come to a point where I feel I cannot handle it alone. I am my own worst enemy. The last thing I want is sympathy/pity or people even knowing how I feel.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:48 AM   #113 (permalink)
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I think this is a two-sided argument.

On one hand, it's selfish for the suicidal person to leave behind people who care about the person. On the other, it's kind of selfish for those who care to expect the person to stick around solely for their own benefit.
I agree that requiring others to stay alive for *our* pleasure and to prevent *our* loneliness is somewhat selfish. If people say suicide is selfish, then they should at least recognize their own desires and expectations for the depressed person are partly selfish, too.

I feel each person has a right to decide her own fate. Suicide shouldn't be illegal, for example. Still, I'd intervene as best I could and try to stop a person from killing herself or himself, since I know frames of mind can shift for the better! It's an interesting question, though...when would you let a loved-one go? How much harm do you let a person do to himself before you try to intervene? It reminds me of the movie The Big Blue, in case you've watched that.

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Labelling suicide as selfish is just lazy thinking. Every individual suicide has a multitude of reasons behind it, and when a society perpetuates an attitude of ''Sucide is selfish, mental illness is weird'', then yes, people who are depressed are going to think ''Why bother discussing my suicidal feelings with anyone? They'll either label me as ill or selfish''. Then the living wonder why victims of suicide didn't talk about it when they were alive.
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Same here, I have a family that relies on me to put food on the table. I have been dual diagnosed with manic depression/bipolar disorder and a substance abuse problem (depressants of all things). I lead an extremely risky life with no fear or remorse other than bringing hardship and pain upon the people that love me. No one had any idea, until I ended up in the looney bin 8 states away.

I have never cut myself or let anyone know how I felt until just recently because it has come to a point where I feel I cannot handle it alone. I am my own worst enemy. The last thing I want is sympathy/pity or people even knowing how I feel.
Thrice, I have a loved-one who was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and psychotic tendencies (delusions), and so I've seen what a devastating effect a mental disorder can have on someone's life and the lives of family members. So, I'm glad you are able to get help.

The person in my life kept the diagnosis secret for years...but this led to problems because I didn't recognize symptoms such as odd stories and life accounts for what they probably were: paranoia and skewed perceptions. If I'd known what was going on, I could have helped give feedback to the person to say whether I felt the medication was working or not...before it got to the stage where it wasn't working well enough.

When you say you are your own worst enemy, this reminds me of what I've imagined may be hardest when you have been diagnosed with a mental disorder: the feeling or fear that you can't trust yourself to perceive reality correctly or respond to situations in a prudent or carefully thought-out way. That must be frustrating to feel you are your own worst enemy.

On the issue of suicide: I've found that some people are hesitant to talk openly about suicide with people who are depressed, as if that would make them decide to kill themselves when the opposite is true. Many people who are depressed or diagnosed with bipolar disorder think about killing themselves. Being able to talk about that is supposed to be a good way to help prevent oneself from doing it. So, I'm glad you are at least talking here about what is going on in your life, Thrice, since it sounds like you have a lot to handle right now.
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Didn't you say in another thread that you cut yourself?
dont remember if i posted that on this forum anywhere yet or not, but yeah i do.
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dont remember if i posted that on this forum anywhere yet or not, but yeah i do.
Why do you cut yourself?

From some of the posts I've read of yours, you seem to be crying out for some attention. You know we are on the internet and can't give you the professional help you need?
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Why do you cut yourself?

From some of the posts I've read of yours, you seem to be crying out for some attention. You know we are on the internet and can't give you the professional help you need?
ya i know. its not for attention tho, for some reason i just find it easier to say this stuff on the internet, its like a venting place for me i suppose. *shrug*

and i kinda wanna keep my reasons to myself, sorry.
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ya i know. its not for attention tho, for some reason i just find it easier to say this stuff on the internet, its like a venting place for me i suppose. *shrug*

and i kinda wanna keep my reasons to myself, sorry.
Yeah I know but people might take it the wrong way that's all. If you don't want to talk about things you state, then why state them?
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Yeah I know but people might take it the wrong way that's all. If you don't want to talk about things you state, then why state them?
hmm...you know i really dont know...i shall do some pondering tonight...
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Suicide is like having sex with a fat chick, you keep telling yourself you'll never do it. . .
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Suicide is like having sex with a fat chick, you keep telling yourself you'll never do it. . .
no need to go raggin on the fat peeps.
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