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Old 12-15-2012, 04:48 PM   #181 (permalink)
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I'd agree with the post Tuna, I think the issue is generally emotional failings. They want people to like them, they want to feel included. When everyone is trying to "figure you out", maybe it adds some sense of value to them (they think). I'd love to see an interview with these people 20 years on, but obviously we love to have the death penalty so thats probably not going to happen.

In thinking about it, maybe I wouldn't. I'm sure they'd just find God and be boring.
I thought they did away with the death penalty in CT? Not that it would would matter anyway cause I'm sure the other prisoners will make short work of him on the inside. I was under the impression that the shooter died anyway?
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:49 PM   #182 (permalink)
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I thought they did away with the death penalty in CT? Not that it would would matter anyway cause I'm sure the other prisoners will make short work of him on the inside. I was under the impression that the shooter died anyway?
Yeah, he shot himself afterwards.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:14 PM   #183 (permalink)
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Right, but you were saying that the Crips or other gangs control the gun trade whether they're legal or not. If they control it, I assume they'd have to be selling to a much larger niche than just disgruntled sickos.


And what if the changes DO occur? Would you be okay with keeping the stricter gun laws in effect?
I wasn't singling Crips out as the only ones who are in control of the gun trade. I used them as an example with many others to show that those who live outside the law in an organized gang or cartel like environment will. And the numbers of those who do isnt as minute as you probaly think. Just like the drug trade thats been won by cartels along the border for years now. Along with multiple other illegal acts including the sale of guns. Then are distributed to others who live outside the law and then eventually end up in the hands of some yahoo like this. I realise the gun he used was his moms and it was legal but the point is if she wanted to get it the illegal way or him, it would not be very hard. I just dont think a lot of people have a clue how easy it is, and how many guns are in circulation amongst the people they think only exist on T.V. Its not like a socialy awkward dude like that guy has to walk into Compton or into the heart of any place like that to find it. Thats not the only place they occupy. Its a buisness for them and I wouldn't be suprised if he was in school with someone of this caliber or who was at least affiliated. White gangs, latin gangs, black gangs, whoever. I'm sure even as awkward as he was he had a friend who had a friend that knew someone.

To answer your second question yes, if better laws were set in place, and after a lengthy tenure made a difference. Why wouldn't I be in favor of keeping humanity more safe? Absoloutley 100%
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I thought they did away with the death penalty in CT? Not that it would would matter anyway cause I'm sure the other prisoners will make short work of him on the inside. I was under the impression that the shooter died anyway?
That wasn't all Sandy Hook related. I meant Columbine, Oklahoma City, ect.
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Also Big3 if your interested in an interview to get into the mind of a criminal of this magnitude after 20 years here you go. These 3 were convicted of brutily mutilating 3 kids and after 20 years or so got aquitted thanks in part to the media and Hollywood nut jobs like Johhny Depp. Ridiculous. HBO made a documentary years ago covering this story after it happened. You may want to watch how all of this transpired and then watch the interviews throughout their prison stay to see how they adapted. Since this was an HBO special it gained national attention from Holllywood celebs who rushed to the aid of 3 guilty murders.

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I wasn't singling Crips out as the only ones who are in control of the gun trade. I used them as an example with many others to show that those who live outside the law in an organized gang or cartel like environment will. And the numbers of those who do isnt as minute as you probaly think. Just like the drug trade thats been won by cartels along the border for years now. Along with multiple other illegal acts including the sale of guns. Then are distributed to others who live outside the law and then eventually end up in the hands of some yahoo like this. I realise the gun he used was his moms and it was legal but the point is if she wanted to get it the illegal way or him, it would not be very hard. I just dont think a lot of people have a clue how easy it is, and how many guns are in circulation amongst the people they think only exist on T.V. Its not like a socialy awkward dude like that guy has to walk into Compton or into the heart of any place like that to find it. Thats not the only place they occupy. Its a buisness for them and I wouldn't be suprised if he was in school with someone of this caliber or who was at least affiliated. White gangs, latin gangs, black gangs, whoever. I'm sure even as awkward as he was he had a friend who had a friend that knew someone.
This is where we disagree. I live in a semi-sketchy area, just a few blocks from a very bad area, in a city with a lot of crime. I'm a social, outgoing person and know a lot of people in my neighborhood and I still have no clue where I'd buy an illegal gun. If I were autistic and introverted and lived in a small town in Connecticut there's no way I'd be able to get my hands on one.

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I'm glad to hear that. There seem to be a lot of pro-gun people who'd be opposed to something like that whether it worked or not.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:05 PM   #187 (permalink)
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This is where we disagree. I live in a semi-sketchy area, just a few blocks from a very bad area, in a city with a lot of crime. I'm a social, outgoing person and know a lot of people in my neighborhood and I still have no clue where I'd buy an illegal gun. If I were autistic and introverted and lived in a small town in Connecticut there's no way I'd be able to get my hands on one.


I'm glad to hear that. There seem to be a lot of pro-gun people who'd be opposed to something like that whether it worked or not.
I lived outside the the city, not quite in the country and not really close to anything either. When I was in school I was friends with everyone of many different diverse ethnicities. I can remember people bringing guns to school as early as 6th grade and the school I attended was not located in a bad area. I remember this kid showing this gun to everyone in the breezeway and then putting it back into his backpack. He got caught with it in 7th period art class after he got busted throwing map colors at the teacher. Upon denying he even had map colors she searched his bag, and found his gun. I wasn't in the class, but this is what others explained happened. Though he wasn't involved, his older brother was gang affiliated, and thats where he had gotten the gun come to find out. Though later he ended up following in his footsteps, but you would never know it by talking to him. The guy was a people person and very funny actually, and one heck of an athlete on into high school. Once I was in highschool it was growing abundantly clear that almost anything you wanted on the illegal market was readily availible. Even the preppiest of kids would suprise you at the activities they were into or getting in trouble for. Point is the older you get I think the more things like this present themselves if you have a grasp on what your looking for, and even if your not looking for it, and if you actually did ask the question, well you catch my drift.

If the guy in CT was looking for a place to belong I think he could find it no matter how awkward. Criminals don't care about his mental stability or social awkwardness, all they would see is dollar signs. I think the movie Higher Learning depicts how a socially awkward person can team up with the most umlikliest of people. "Remmy" the charactor in the movie who is portrayed to be a social misfit from an middle class suburbia family finds his sense of belonging in a racist cult. The chances aren't that great for these type of things, but not out of the realm of possibility.
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Tuna, I think you made a very good point about the media spotlight around such events. It had a similar effect on suicide rates in teenagers in a town nearby town where I live. The Media focused on the drudgery of this town, on how there was no hope for its residents and claimed all sorts of stuff about teen suicide pacts and the like. None of the cases were related like that, but a message was made to impressionable youths that if they ended their lives they would be nationally and sometimes internationally known, tributes would be made, plaques in schools etc. Dangerous business.
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Too many problems in our American society. Hatred is running too much in our place today. This is part of why so many people want guns. The people who wants guns tend to be people who are not stable individuals. That is total truth. We need to do some background checking always, there will be another tragedy like the one we just witnessed.
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I lived outside the the city, not quite in the country and not really close to anything either. When I was in school I was friends with everyone of many different diverse ethnicities. I can remember people bringing guns to school as early as 6th grade and the school I attended was not located in a bad area. I remember this kid showing this gun to everyone in the breezeway and then putting it back into his backpack. He got caught with it in 7th period art class after he got busted throwing map colors at the teacher. Upon denying he even had map colors she searched his bag, and found his gun. I wasn't in the class, but this is what others explained happened. Though he wasn't involved, his older brother was gang affiliated, and thats where he had gotten the gun come to find out. Though later he ended up following in his footsteps, but you would never know it by talking to him. The guy was a people person and very funny actually, and one heck of an athlete on into high school. Once I was in highschool it was growing abundantly clear that almost anything you wanted on the illegal market was readily availible. Even the preppiest of kids would suprise you at the activities they were into or getting in trouble for. Point is the older you get I think the more things like this present themselves if you have a grasp on what your looking for, and even if your not looking for it, and if you actually did ask the question, well you catch my drift.

If the guy in CT was looking for a place to belong I think he could find it no matter how awkward. Criminals don't care about his mental stability or social awkwardness, all they would see is dollar signs. I think the movie Higher Learning depicts how a socially awkward person can team up with the most umlikliest of people. "Remmy" the charactor in the movie who is portrayed to be a social misfit from an middle class suburbia family finds his sense of belonging in a racist cult. The chances aren't that great for these type of things, but not out of the realm of possibility.
Criminals care about not getting caught. They don't generally do business in a such a way that some random unknown guy can just spontaneously stroll up to them and buy a gun.
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