Sansa Stark

You have a habit of using ad hominem attacks & tone policing to smokescreen the fact that you can't phrase a logical thought.

I said female rape victims, I didn't say all rape victims. There is a big difference, since I did not also include trans* people who are rape victims.

butthead aka 216

ok well im not tryin to remove the voices of female rape victims either lol. i think someone can hate women being raped and also be concerned with the result of males bein raped or laws bein slighted against males. i dont think i need to choose

Sansa Stark

No one ever said you had to choose, however if you care more about the minority of rape victims than the group that gets raped the most, you probably should reconsider that whole "I'm not a misogynist" thing

And not only "males and females" are victims of sexual assault, as I already said.

butthead aka 216

whats this refer to????


and i just brought up a small aspect of males being raped thats unfair and from that you've made the conclusion i dont care about female rape victims??? wow

hip hop bunny hop

It's slander, Soldier, because I've stated before that I have a black girlfriend. So, you know, my place where I lay my head down to sleep everynight is mixed race. Is it mixed culturally? No, because my girlfriend is as american as apple pie.

I think it can't be called misogynistic because the conception of gender equality that's being projected unto these countries is Western in origin. Equality, of any kind, is not an abstract absolute but a byproduct of a cultural dialogue.

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Sansa Stark

What would you call it then?

I get what you mean about it being a Western idea but if it is harmful to women then??? Although we do project (myself included) our Western ideas on other countries way too often, like FEMEN and their bull**** where they try to expose themselves in public in protest of Islam and "in defense of muslim women" but still, if these laws harm women like this one, what about the ones that live there?

Not saying I know a damn thing what I'm talking about but it would be interesting to hear from women who actually live there.

John Wilkes Booth

It's still gender inequality, the cultural difference simply means that they don't necessarily see a problem with gender inequality. This seems like an argument in semantics. It's like saying that America wasn't racist until it started proclaiming to value racial equality.

Astronomer

Exactly... The cultural difference is that they don't believe their practices are wrong, it doesn't mean that gender inequality doesn't exist...

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Norwegian minister of foreign affairs, Espen Barth Eide, said in an interview that Dubais foreign minister, after a talk with Dubais ruler, admitted to there being some challenges to be worked out with their justice system.

If you think criticizing culture from the point of view of another culture is racist, again, you need to learn what racism is. It is not the same as ethnocentrism. To call the thread ethnocentric is more valid than calling it racist, but I still disagree. I'm inviting all here to partake in this discussion without regard to what culture members here may represent. Furthermore, I think many in Dubais would agree with the criticism here, muslim or otherwise. From the way you argue, you would think the ideal of gender equality does not exist there, but it does. I also think the idea that one should not be punished for other peoples crimes against you is a concept in Dubais culture and factored into her speedy release. Hence, it's not like we're judging them based on principles which don't exist in Dubais culture.

Maybe you should take a look at this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_i..._Arab_Emirates

I find it ironic, and even a little tasteless, how you and Hermione (aka Sansa Stark now) keep referring to groups. You write muslims for example or comment on how they are mostly not white. All this time, you are so caught up in groups based on culture, some perceived race or something else. Have you ever considered that the word "muslim" may not really be a good description of the population of Dubais? It suggests every muslim subscribes to the exact same ideas and also ignores the fact that Dubais society is made up of different cultures, religions, ethnicities and values, just like the US is. For example, thousands of Norwegians live and work in Dubais.

So you keep mentally organizing people into groups, but accuse me of being racist. Here's a challenge: read through the two first posts of this thread and quote to me where you think I am being racist. See if you can find me reference to the groups that you seem to base so much of your thinking around.

You should read my reply to HHBH above.

By the way, I care about gender equality also on my home turf so I obviously don't feel like your hypocrite accusation applies. Your notion that muslims are mostly not white and therefore it is racist to criticize muslims is simply wrong. Bottom line is that being a muslim is not a biological privilege or property of any particular race. There are muslims belonging to ethnicities with origin in every continent except the antarctic, hence the argument can't be racist.

Do you get it?

I agree.

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Unknown Soldier

At a quick glance on the internet, Asians in general make-up around 54% of the population of the UAE, some of those will be Muslims of course. Also according to this link and others I've seen, religion is far more diverse there than what a lot of people think. So I think Tore has raised a good point here.

Dubai Religions

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