GuD

aren't Pedestrian and WWWP and GB like super well-educated fancy-college-school-goin mother****ers why aren't they chimin in

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RoxyRollah

No the content of the thread isn't worth stepping inside....

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skyline

I mean people no longer have to rely on locally sourced produce, soy beans wasn't always an option in Ireland and anything that did make it to your local market was ****ing expensive due to the difficulties in shipping. You're right it's no longer a necessity, which is precisely why we're taking strides to change it, people do still believe you need meat for a healthy diet and you're asking people to switch to eating stuff they're really not used to eating. People have become used to buying slabs of meat wrapped in plastic, they've eaten meat all their lives thinking nothing of it, bring them to a butcher house on the other hand and they'll soon lose their appetite. It is illogical, people generally have no qualms about buying packaged meat but they wouldn't eat anything they've seen been killed or they wouldn't eat anything that resembles the animal it came from (variety meats/whole fish). I don't see how this justifies the emancipation of beastiality.

John Wilkes Booth

i think you're wrong. we don't just eat meat out of habit or ignorance. we eat meat because we want to. there is no true alternative to a good steak. you can get the nutrients elsewhere but the actual food can never be replicated by soy or anything else. and that is why the steak industry continues to thrive. we kill them because it is convenient for us to do so and we like the way they taste. so basically i don't think they have rights.

HellCell

Yes it is ok, but I personally won't partake in it.

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The Batlord

I don't think JWB's point is about justifying bestiality because it's also okay to kill animals for meat, but that if we're going to be consistent in our application of morality and laws, that it doesn't make sense to arbitrarily pick and choose. If humanity outlawed killing animals for food on the other hand, and legally created a vegetarian society, then outlawing bestiality would be consistent by his standards. Probably.


I'd also like to point out that, while the average person might be turned off meat after seeing the cruelties of the meat industry, historically humankind has still been perfectly willing to eat meat that they killed, gutted, and butchered themselves. So it's not just habit either. People are more than willing to commit cruelty for what they want, even with their own hands. I'm too lazy to apply that to the greater discussion though. Just sayin' is all.

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skyline

People generally find comfort in their mothers home cooking, oxtail and marrowfats made a quite a comeback here thanks to nostaligic cravings, nowadays people can't have porridge without sugar and milk, people from your parents or grandparents generation swear by salt and water. Liking how something tastes doesn't negate the fact you prefer what's familiar.

We incarcerate people we deem unfit for society, does this mean people don't have rights?

John Wilkes Booth

i'm surprised you're going to such lengths to deny that people are willing to let animals suffer for their own pleasure.

the people who we incarcerate lose their rights by violating rules set up by society. but even they have more rights than a cow raised for slaughter.

skyline

And why would you incarcerate people who break rules? Why can't you incarcerate people for the sheer joy of it? While incarceration is considered a bad thing only one of these is deemed okay because it serves a purpose. If a better system were to be discovered so that people could be quickly rehabilited and introduced back into society without the need for incarceration would we undergo a period where incarcerating others for fun could be seen as a moral grey area until this new system has completely replaced the old one? You're comparing a practice that has only recently been made redundant (in some parts of the world) to one that has yet to be introduced and using the fact they're equally abhorrent to justify both.