Socialism

RL Clown · 03-19-2015, 04:02 PM

First of all, thank you for posting this topic. I don't like socialism. Let me explain why... I come from a Chinese and Vietnamese background. I know the corruption of communism (and socialism is the little brother of communism). Communism tries to make everyone equal by giving everyone the same salary. But if you make everyone equal, you need to make sure that human beings cannot be over-achievers. If human beings make too much money, they are becoming capitalists. So how do you make sure that human beings do not make too much money? You set up a dictatorship... You bully the common people (they must follow your rules or else you can do whatever you want with them). Now, I know that China and Vietnam have changed a lot over the years. But do these countries really have freedom of speech? It's questionable... I'm not dissing countries; I'm just saying. Socialism is not very different from communism... The only difference is the fact that the common people are allowed to run small businesses. The government controls ALL of the big businesses. We need more people who are trying to break the mold! We need more people like Bill Gates and Donald Trump. A country cannot function under socialism (sorry but it's true). A country can only function under capitalism and democracy. Capitalism and democracy worked for Ancient Greece.

Xurtio · 03-19-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RL Clown

First of all, thank you for posting this topic. I don't like socialism. Let me explain why... I come from a Chinese and Vietnamese background. I know the corruption of communism (and socialism is the little brother of communism). Communism tries to make everyone equal by giving everyone the same salary. But if you make everyone equal, you need to make sure that human beings cannot be over-achievers. If human beings make too much money, they are becoming capitalists. So how do you make sure that human beings do not make too much money? You set up a dictatorship... You bully the common people (they must follow your rules or else you can do whatever you want with them). Now, I know that China and Vietnam have changed a lot over the years. But do these countries really have freedom of speech? It's questionable... I'm not dissing countries; I'm just saying. Socialism is not very different from communism... The only difference is the fact that the common people are allowed to run small businesses. The government controls ALL of the big businesses. We need more people who are trying to break the mold! We need more people like Bill Gates and Donald Trump. A country cannot function under socialism (sorry but it's true). A country can only function under capitalism and democracy. Capitalism and democracy worked for Ancient Greece.

I think enforcing socialist principles through government in a democracy is the ideal, rather than it being either/or.

Isbjørn · 03-25-2018, 04:35 AM

Holy ****, this thread was older than I thought, but I figure there's no point in creating a new one about the same topic just because.

This lecture from Michael Parenti on racism, sexism and class struggle is essential for anyone who considers themself progressive or left-wing, even though the introduction music sounds like abuse. Parenti is one of the clearest and most important Marxist intellectuals alive today.

OccultHawk · 07-10-2018, 07:39 AM

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**Goofle** · 07-11-2018, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

everyone should like socialism in its barest definition that workers ought to run the factories but lots of people are just authoritarian they like being dragged by the nose and dragging others by the nose the most disgusting sin as far as I'm concerned

No. It's a stupid idea on the barest level.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 07-12-2018, 11:39 PM

The Fountainhead
https://ia601502.us.archive.org/22/i...0180619/29.pdf

The Road To Serfdom With The Intellectuals And Socialism
https://ia801309.us.archive.org/34/i...cialism%5D.pdf

Socialism And The Churches
https://ia601502.us.archive.org/15/i...0180619/25.pdf

The Batlord · 07-13-2018, 02:38 AM

Oh god a Randroid.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 07-13-2018, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Oh god a Randroid.

I'm not a fan, but it is a good example of Socialist ideology.

The Batlord · 07-13-2018, 02:53 AM

Haven't read it but if it's anywhere near as "nuanced" and "intelligent" a criticism of communism as Atlas Shrugged is to liberalism then I'll go get a copy and keep my lighter handy.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 07-13-2018, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Haven't read it but if it's anywhere near as "nuanced" and "intelligent" a criticism of communism as Atlas Shrugged is to liberalism then I'll go get a copy and keep my lighter handy.

It's not worth reading.

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RL Clown Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 182	First of all, thank you for posting this topic. I don't like socialism. Let me explain why... I come from a Chinese and Vietnamese background. I know the corruption of communism (and socialism is the little brother of communism). Communism tries to make everyone equal by giving everyone the same salary. But if you make everyone equal, you need to make sure that human beings cannot be over-achievers. If human beings make too much money, they are becoming capitalists. So how do you make sure that human beings do not make too much money? You set up a dictatorship... You bully the common people (they must follow your rules or else you can do whatever you want with them). Now, I know that China and Vietnam have changed a lot over the years. But do these countries really have freedom of speech? It's questionable... I'm not dissing countries; I'm just saying. Socialism is not very different from communism... The only difference is the fact that the common people are allowed to run small businesses. The government controls ALL of the big businesses. We need more people who are trying to break the mold! We need more people like Bill Gates and Donald Trump. A country cannot function under socialism (sorry but it's true). A country can only function under capitalism and democracy. Capitalism and democracy worked for Ancient Greece.

07-12-2018, 11:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,823	The Fountainhead https://ia601502.us.archive.org/22/i...0180619/29.pdf *The Road To Serfdom With The Intellectuals And Socialism* https://ia801309.us.archive.org/34/i...cialism%5D.pdf *Socialism And The Churches* https://ia601502.us.archive.org/15/i...0180619/25.pdf