^ Sorry, did I slip up ? TBH, the voices and numbers seem to be flying so thick and fast, I found it difficult to keep up. There are times when the presenter, Joy, is apparently trying to say two sentences simultaneously as far as I can make out. The guy as well occassionally starts one sentence then abandons it without explanation in favour of another.

Anyway, I'm correcting this statistic in hopes that my post will now fits the facts better - or have I screwed up somewhere else too?

Obama's golf games after 72 days in office: 0
Trump's ditto: 14

But Trumps are all presidential business meetings that happen to involve some putting.

Obama's were nothing but pure entertainment and an escape from politics.

Or maybe not. That's John Boehner in case you don't recognize him.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics...0618_wmain.jpg

Unless golfing is causing him to not do his job i really dgaf. And since none of us know, this is the dumbest ****ing attack i have ever seen on Obama and trump. You can only sign and read so many things before you have to wait for all the paperwork to go through the proper channels. Its not like he's golfing during a state of emergency. Seriously more bs to distract from issues that are important and the sheeple continuously eat it up. Gotta love drama, it protects us from having to cope and be adults. Theres nothing quite like creating solvable problems out of nothing to boost your ego with a sense of accomplishment.

DWV, the point is that Trump went out of his way to slam BO because he golfed too much.

Just another example of his blatant hypocrisy and total BS that his acolytes 100% bought into.

To ignore it is to condone it for future elections. We simply can not stop calling this **** out - otherwise it will continue to slowly become the norm in the absence of truth and certifiable facts.

I can already see a Black Mirror episode being made over all of this crap.

I cant help but laugh at the childishness of that approach. You raised 2 kids, you remember how when they acted out for attention it was sometimes best to ignore them so they moved on to other things. Same idea.

I guess the solution is to give them a good smack.

With all due respect, this is a totally ignorant, insulting, and flat out lazy response.

You're trying to equate me and my two kids with a dude who is The President of the United States of America, and who won based on swaying a bunch of the available 170,000,000+ votes based on spewing complete and utter lies to ****ing lemmings, who were either stupid enough, or apathetic enough (like you), to not give a ****.

I seriously hope you don't represent your entire demographic. If you do we are ****ing doomed.

I have a serious stake in all of this. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't. But try to take it with the gravitas it deserves rather than being so ****ing cavalier and seemingly naive.

If 170 million people are willing to vote for Donald Trump then the "gravitas" is just a cringey joke.

Total votes tallied dumbass. And HC beat him based just on that.

I never, ever, ever thought I'd ever post this: Bat, don't stoop to DMV levels of logic. You're so much better than that.

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Quit being a Facebook political analyst. It's like being a sewer worker without shoes.

Nah you're just another Fox News viewer blubbering about Obama's shoes. DWV is right. Pettiness is childish as **** but hey I guess that's how grown ups participate in politics these days and it's super justified because Trump is a big meanie and screw him!

Quit stooping to your own level, Chula. The golfing **** was stupid to worry about with Obama, it's stupid to worry about now.

There's a reason why there's a childrens table at large family dinners.

The kids can rant and rave trash and talking points because the results have basically no impact on their lives.

An adult has a vested interest and approaches the subject from a mature and serious nature. Instead of simply being flippant.

Instead of resorting to your usual off the cuff retorts, how about we discuss the actual subject matter and why it's so important to nip it in the bud now, rather than letting it continue to fester and grow like a cancer? With the country and individual ideals paying the bottom line price.



Ahhh, **** it. I don't stand a chance in hell with this crowd. Fire away kiddies.

So because adults have delusions of importance.

Obviously, you wouldn't know. (thanks for the softball lob)

Observing my fellow apes from the outside has made it pretty clear how ridiculous and pointless all of you are, yes.

Well don't write off what I say or you'll have to sit at the kid's table with the rest of the snot-nosed brats. I did address the actual subject:

Just because you're a senile old fart it doesn't mean that you're not being whipped up by partisan media (hint hint, that's totally happening here).

Cue your usual cuff retort, canned Huffington Post quotes, and total disrespect for any opinion that isn't yours. Oh ja, and I'm a huge dick and shouldn't be a mod. Can't forget that one. Because that's how adults discuss politics, right? Am I a big boy now?

**** out of here.

Im not apathetic i just care about issues that matter, so lets cut the ad hominem bs (because Trump did it first, lol), it does not interest me. Hes a hypocrite okay, and? Lets get back to what hes actually doing in the white house please.

And sorry if i offended you but i dont think you are really making an effort to see my point as to why these things are futile and make it easier for important things to get swept under the rug. I was trying to find an analogy you might better relate to.

^ You are of course perfectly entitled to dgaf, DWV, but why are you so dismissive of people who do gaf ?

I've already acknowledged that this is not the greatest problem the US is facing, but as Chula points out, Trump himself started the finger-pointing over Obama's conduct, so it's only fair if Trump's conduct is examined in a similar way. People on the public payroll should be held accountable. That means for what they do, what they say and how they spend their time. Same thing happens in the private sector, though there may be less scrutiny there. (If you fill shelves in Walmart, nobody cares what you do in your free time, but on the other hand, your clock-in time is monitored to the second.) Obviously the President's case is less clear-cut, but Trump's hours spent in Washington are suspiciously light (an average of only two days out of every three apparently), and it's not just "sheeple" or people who want protection "from having to cope and be adults" who are concerned that Trump is abusing his position.

On the healthcare bill, there was widespread criticism in the White House that Trump had not done his homework, which is why I've bolded your statement above. It gives the impression that the President's job is a linear sequence of read, sign, "wait for all the paperwork to go through", then presumably read, sign and wait for something else.

Well, I doubt that it's like that at all. I suspect it's more a case of a constant blizzard of complex issues, all of which should be explored in depth in order to arrive at an informed decision. That means a lot of homework all the time, and that's how it is how it is for most conscientious decision-makers I believe. (Mrs.Thatcher, for instance, was reputed to work until midnight, then get up at 4 a.m. to read and prepare for the day ahead.) She was an extreme case, but Trump could be a lot more diligent about his responsibities I'm sure. Instead of another round of golf, I wish that Trump would do a bit more homework on climate change for example - that might make him rethink his present policy of stomping on the environment for any short-term benefit he can squeeze out of it.

EDIT: Took me a long time to write the above, and I see that the discussion has moved on apace. Are Chula and I being whipped up by partisan media? Maybe to some extent, but the facts about his out-of-Washington trips seem pretty well documented. I'm surprised that more of you aren't offended that your (and/or your parents') hard-earned tax dollars are funding Trump's extravagant lifestyle.

It's a drop in the bucket. We have much bigger fish to fry. We shouldn't aspire to the tactics of Trump as well (aka he did it first so we should examine him similarly.) That's just absurd to me.

Hey look, a bigger fish

Trump signs bill repealing US internet privacy rules

No it's not, because it solves absolutely nothing. That's my entire point. It actually detracts from issues that do matter, I don't understand why this is difficult to understand.

^ I think that was acknowledged by both sides from the start of this little debate, which I now regret having started. * looks for Trollheart shy-couch smiley*.


^ Well, perhaps you can be the bigger man on this issue and walk away.

It must just be my own petty obsession; politicians misusing public funds really bugs me. By all means, let's move on to bigger issues, but let's call them out on those financially small-scale betrayals too. After all, the common man is held accountable for the small-scale stuff. "Didn't pay your internet bill? We're cutting your service!" We can't tell the internet guy, "It's not a lot of money and there are more important issues to worry about." I say hold politicians to the same standard.

I think it's a fair put down to let the record show Trump ****ing sucks in yet another way, only because he cried about Obama's golf

Even if it's hardly a real issue

^ OK, I'll stand down on the issue of fairness for the moment, DWV. I'm too tired to think that point through...

I suppose I posted my initial grumble about Trump's golfing, etc. because it rankled with me as an example of hypocrisy. I'm aware my posts aren't going to solve anything, but media attention can improve politicians' conduct, can't it?

Issues that do matter? Yes, I'm more than happy to move on to those - but on another day if that's ok. It's bedtime where I live.

How are all my favorite communists hhhhhmmmm?

So apparently there are liberal college students out there who think Trump is a Socialist...

So apparently Hypeline news thinks that Nazi Germany practiced socialism just because of their label...

Ironically enough, the Nazis might have actually been Socialist in a lot of ways without realizing it. There's some interesting data out there available.

https://www.therebel.media/were_the_...e_hard_to_find

Weird how you can have some aspects that you regularly find outside of socialism in your system and not actually be socialist huh. Kind of like how you wouldn't call America a socialist nation because of our roads, schools, and financial assistance for the rich.

And I assume you understand how little credibility that source and writer are so I'll leave that alone, but you couldn't tell from the language that that was some biased nonsense? I thought choirs knew when the preacher was jabbering at them.

Considering how many people mouth off on this thread, I find it interesting you'd bring up writer credibility. :D

Biased or not, he makes some good points and I'm glad I shared it.

Because I've never called someone out on their **** before.

Been there tbh but tsk tsk nonetheless.

All I'm saying is that it was ironic that the Nazis supposedly hated Socialism when their society was basically a Socialist state economically (albeit one that wanted to eradicate the Jews).

I've seen so many Trump = Hitler comparisons lately I just found the college student video kind of interesting, which led into this.

Gotta say that this is the first time I've heard the Nazis hating socialism trope. I call into question that article's justification for the Nazi government because of what I read in this article (that he also wrote): https://www.therebel.media/why_i_no_...ademic_studies

:ar_15s:Thanks, Frown. This is the biggest reason I come to this part despite hating it. To learn ****. And I can't learn from the "adult discussions" of Trump's golfing habits.

BTW I'm all for childishly rubbing Trump's golfing habits in the face of his dumb ass hypocrite supporters but to actually express outrage over it like this is really just people looking for reasons to be mad. Recreational outrage is all the rage these days.

Edit: I don't remember adding an AK Smiley face but I'm keeping it.

Not sure. Who are you favorite communists?

That's some good communists!

It's not about golf. It's not about the amount of money. It's all about his credibility. He campaigned on being different, on being anti-Washington, on being an outsider who was going to shake things up. A good chunk of people who voted for him over Clinton did so because of these reasons - he was going to be the anti-politician.

He just keeps proving time after time that it was complete and utter BS and he's as much an insider as anyone. His inner circle is just of a different ilk than most.

So ya, it's only golf and it isn't going to cause a world war. But relatively speaking, it just helps cement a precedent. Trump pulled off the biggest political magic trick of all time. And he still has a bunch of followers who refuse to take off the blinders and realize they got totally ****ing conned.

Are you mad because he switched his act after the campaign? That's pretty much how these things always go.. he's not cementing a precedent, it's been there a long time, he's just more in your face about it so it feels worse to some. Every election is a fucking magic trick unfortunately. Nothing in that post is any different from any other election except you have a greater distaste for the candidate this time around (and rightfully so). Blind supporters are not new either and presidential credibility is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

Of course, it's nice to have some civilized people in here looking to have an actual conversation. I'm not sure if they can improve conduct to be honest, I guess we'll find out because his non-political antics start diminishing with increased media attention. Also, I forgot to mention in response to your previous post, I think it's reasonable if you want to bring up his expenses as they relate to taxpayers, but when you start using it as an attack saying he's a lazy president or whatever, it becomes useless to discuss. I do still think there are more important matters, but I can concede that point to you.