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Lisnaholic 03-28-2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1817283)
As far as Cuba:

Prior to Communism things were actually worse in Cuba

^ This is true, I believe, and it's also arguable that some post-communist countries have become worse; maybe Russia, definitely Yugoslavia.

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1817277)
Nice ideal...but again, doesn't work at scale. Human nature gets in the way. Communism in general only works (if at all) at a community level. Once you hit any real point of scalability, you end up with failed states not all that dissimilar to former Russia or Cuba.

^ But Anteater is right too about the problem of scale. The enthusiasm and efficiency for communism seems to diminish the more widely it is applied, and of course there is a big difference in attitude between communism that your group has chosen, and communism that is imposed on you from elsewhere.

Incidently, an under-used example of a long-term, successful communistic project is the Israeli social experiment of the kibutz. These have been running for generations and are a model of uncorrupted communism afaik.

djchameleon 03-28-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1817246)
So ****ing what, people who voted for him voted for his policies not his personality.

Most Trump supporters keep saying this and when I try to find out what those exact policies are. I get a whole bunch of nothing from them.

Cuthbert 03-28-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1817299)
You're delusional. He never put forth any policies, just buzz phrases.

Build a wall. (don't hold your breath)
Repeal and replace Obamacare. (that didn't quite work out)
Bring back jobs. (still waiting. Stock market had its 8th straight day of losses yesterday)
Make America great again. (still don't know what this means)
Drain the swamp. (have you seen his cabinet members?)

People voted for him BECAUSE of his personality. They chose the rookie snakeoil salesman over the career politician because, well, I guess career politicians are suppose to be bad. Or something.

The first three are policies? And you can't have a go at him for those last two, that's unreal. I'm sure Hillary had some **** slogan herself, I remember seeing it on the telly and laughing at how cringe worthy it was.

Frownland 03-28-2017 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1817332)
The first three are policies? And you can't have a go at him for those last two, that's unreal. I'm sure Hillary had some **** slogan herself, I remember seeing it on the telly and laughing at how cringe worthy it was.

"Drain the swamp" was part of his 100 days plan and he can be shat on for that for sure. Had he noted that the swamp drainage would run into the whitehouse it would have been useful.

Hillary's was "I'm with her". Ja.

elphenor 03-28-2017 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1817311)
^ This is true, I believe, and it's also arguable that some post-communist countries have become worse; maybe Russia, definitely Yugoslavia.



^ But Anteater is right too about the problem of scale. The enthusiasm and efficiency for communism seems to diminish the more widely it is applied, and of course there is a big difference in attitude between communism that your group has chosen, and communism that is imposed on you from elsewhere.

Incidently, an under-used example of a long-term, successful communistic project is the Israeli social experiment of the kibutz. These have been running for generations and are a model of uncorrupted communism afaik.

USSR was a socialist state same with Cuba
Communism is not a type of gov but socialism is the form of gov influenced by Marxism/Communism (which doesn't believe in nations at all)

Kibbutz is true communism though, yes

The problem is our sample group of socialist states consist of corrupt dictatorships

We don't yet know what a true large Democratic Socialist nation looks like however Social Democracies like Sweeden boast the highest qualities of life in the world and the happiest people

Paul Smeenus 03-28-2017 03:39 PM


RoxyRollah 03-28-2017 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1817316)
Most Trump supporters keep saying this and when I try to find out what those exact policies are. I get a whole bunch of nothing from them.

Dood they were on his website for 1 1\2 years almost public record.

RoxyRollah 03-28-2017 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1817334)
"Drain the swamp" was part of his 100 days plan and he can be shat on for that for sure. Had he noted that the swamp drainage would run into the whitehouse it would have been useful.

Hillary's was "I'm with her". Ja.

No it was stronger together ,then I'm with herd.

RoxyRollah 03-28-2017 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1817299)
You're delusional. He never put forth any policies, just buzz phrases.

Build a wall. (don't hold your breath)
Repeal and replace Obamacare. (that didn't quite work out)
Bring back jobs. (still waiting. Stock market had its 8th straight day of losses yesterday)
Make America great again. (still don't know what this means)
Drain the swamp. (have you seen his cabinet members?)

People voted for him BECAUSE of his personality. They chose the rookie snakeoil salesman over the career politician because, well, I guess career politicians are suppose to be bad. Or something.

Oh we're talking now....wait wait " get a life outside of mine psycho ". Look some **** up for once grandad... Now buzz off.

Frownland 03-28-2017 10:39 PM

Man the way these Trump supporters act on the internet really make me want to vote democrat next time.

That's how it works, right? You vote against your exposure to a subset of one ideology's argumentative tactics so that you can be more sure in your rightedness? Voting based on policy is a thing of the past, right?


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