Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1817283)

As far as Cuba:

Prior to Communism things were actually worse in Cuba

Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 1817277)

Nice ideal...but again, doesn't work at scale. Human nature gets in the way. Communism in general only works (if at all) at a community level. Once you hit any real point of scalability, you end up with failed states not all that dissimilar to former Russia or Cuba.

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1817246)

So ****ing what, people who voted for him voted for his policies not his personality.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1817299)

You're delusional. He never put forth any policies, just buzz phrases.

Build a wall. (don't hold your breath)
Repeal and replace Obamacare. (that didn't quite work out)
Bring back jobs. (still waiting. Stock market had its 8th straight day of losses yesterday)
Make America great again. (still don't know what this means)
Drain the swamp. (have you seen his cabinet members?)

People voted for him BECAUSE of his personality. They chose the rookie snakeoil salesman over the career politician because, well, I guess career politicians are suppose to be bad. Or something.

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1817332)

The first three are policies? And you can't have a go at him for those last two, that's unreal. I'm sure Hillary had some **** slogan herself, I remember seeing it on the telly and laughing at how cringe worthy it was.

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 1817311)

^ This is true, I believe, and it's also arguable that some post-communist countries have become worse; maybe Russia, definitely Yugoslavia.



^ But Anteater is right too about the problem of scale. The enthusiasm and efficiency for communism seems to diminish the more widely it is applied, and of course there is a big difference in attitude between communism that your group has chosen, and communism that is imposed on you from elsewhere.

Incidently, an under-used example of a long-term, successful communistic project is the Israeli social experiment of the kibutz. These have been running for generations and are a model of uncorrupted communism afaik.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1817316)

Most Trump supporters keep saying this and when I try to find out what those exact policies are. I get a whole bunch of nothing from them.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1817334)

"Drain the swamp" was part of his 100 days plan and he can be shat on for that for sure. Had he noted that the swamp drainage would run into the whitehouse it would have been useful.

Hillary's was "I'm with her". Ja.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1817299)

You're delusional. He never put forth any policies, just buzz phrases.

Build a wall. (don't hold your breath)
Repeal and replace Obamacare. (that didn't quite work out)
Bring back jobs. (still waiting. Stock market had its 8th straight day of losses yesterday)
Make America great again. (still don't know what this means)
Drain the swamp. (have you seen his cabinet members?)

People voted for him BECAUSE of his personality. They chose the rookie snakeoil salesman over the career politician because, well, I guess career politicians are suppose to be bad. Or something.