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Janszoon 04-09-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821497)
The point is that I believe in the free market more than government control.

Even to the point of point of selling $100 bottles of water to desperate hurricane survivors apparently. Awesome.

Goofle 04-09-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1821495)
I hope everyone can see the obvious truth in that. Private property is a legal concept. Laws are enforced literally at gun point. Therefore capitalism cannot exist without oppression. Not even in theory.

Why shouldn't somebody be punished for stealing from you? You can enforce laws without oppression necessarily following.

Goofle 04-09-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1821498)
Even to the point of point of selling $100 bottles of water to desperate hurricane survivors apparently. Awesome.

Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system? Who controls water?

Isbjørn 04-09-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821493)
Obviously.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821497)
The point is that I believe in the free market more than government control.

Arbitrary principles > practice in the material world. Got it.

OccultHawk 04-09-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821493)
Obviously.

I want it on the record that I'm not the only one completely bat**** crazy around here.

Janszoon 04-09-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821500)
Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system? Who controls water?

Demand. And the people selling the water control the water. Do you not understand what price gouging is?

OccultHawk 04-09-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821500)
Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system? Who controls water?

The dude with an AK and bottled water. It's also called South Sudan.

elphenor 04-09-2017 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1821495)
I hope everyone can see the obvious truth in that. Private property is a legal concept. Laws are enforced literally at gun point. Therefore capitalism cannot exist without oppression. Not even in theory.

Further to the point there is no "free market"

There can not be, it doesn't work

What we call Capitalism is a system of maintaining class order justified by the bogus meritocracy

Isbjørn 04-09-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1821495)
I hope everyone can see the obvious truth in that. Private property is a legal concept. Laws are enforced literally at gun point. Therefore capitalism cannot exist without oppression. Not even in theory.

Agree 100%. That's why capitalism needs the military, the courts, prisons, the police, i.e. the state, to uphold itself. Capitalism wouldn't survive for a day without an organized institution of armed force. That's one of the reasons for why the state (under capitalism) is not a socialist institution, but rather a public institution that upholds and strengthens capitalism.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1821500)
Why would a bottle of water cost $100 under a free market system?

The era of "free market" capitalism ended in the 1800s, pal. Free competition is abolished more and more as monopolies grow and obtain control over enire branches of industry and exercise their control over public life. That's capitalism at work for ya.

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Who controls water?
Idk. Nestlé?

rostasi 04-09-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1821494)
Wow.

Remember Jans, he's a fan of Shkreli.
Also, as has been said here: there is no such thing as "free market" - especially these days.


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