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Ebony_and_Irony · 10-22-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

That's a whole lot of closedmindedness to put in a single post.

Granted I agree with a few things like The Kinks > Rolling Stones, Mr Bungle > Fait No More and Neil Young > Bob Dylan but most of your comparisons make no sense. What in the hell does Ravi Shankar and Phillip Glass have in common?

And as huge fan of both Yes and Zep, I don't understand the comparison. Other than both of these bands having long hair and being around in the 70s, why are they worthy of a comparison? They have absolutely nothing in common musically.

And it's pretty ignorant to write off so many genres like that, every genre has a lot to offer, you just need to know where to look. Prog is my favorite genre but I don't think it's objectively better than any other, and even I know that not ALL Indie bands are overrated pieces of crap.

Ravi Shankar and Phillip glass both collaborated together thats why I compared them.

I admit the Yes and Led Zeppelin comparison was a bit random.

I don't like rap, blues, metal or reggae Sorry for writing off those genres. Mind you I have listened to alot of rap, blues and reggae, metal. To me those genre are bad.. Also I wasn't being objective i was being subjective.

Never said all indie bands are crap, stop putting words in my mouth.

debaserr · 10-22-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebony_and_Irony

Pixies started grunge Nirvana got most of the credit, that's why. Both are grunge.

Indie does deserve credit, just not as much as what some indie bands get.

Post-rock is extremely similar to prog. It generally uses rythyms, harmonies, melodies, timbre, and chord progressions not typical in rock. Also most post rock songs are long and are instrumental. And on top of that almost all post rock bands are indie. Sounds like indies take on prog to me.

Does some pseudo genre matter? They both made good rock music.

Care to elaborate on who is overrated?

What is your definition of indie?

Mojo · 10-22-2009, 02:43 PM

Almost all post rock bands are indie? You can believe that if you wish but i wouldnt say so. But then again i wouldnt be putting Blur, Wolfmother, GY!BE, Sonic Youth and Jimmy Eat World in the same category.

I know that Jeff is Tim's son. I also know that their music is not similar, they were from different era's, they were estranged and therefore as comparible as Yes and Led Zeppelin. That also is why Jeff's determination to avoid being compared to his father becomes relevant.

Again you've said that indie bands don't deserve credit yet i still don't know why. And for such a diverse genre (the term indie is meaningless to me now) i would be interested to hear why you think this.

Alot of people probably do think that Rush is the best prog band. A lot of people on the other hand probably don't. Everyones opinion is different, im just struggling to see how this really a point worth mentioning.

You just said that the majority of bands active between the years 1960 and 1980 are overrated? So basically what you mean is that most music full stop is overrated?

Whether Nirvana take more credit for 'starting' grunge is arguable, whether the Pixies take more credit for 'starting' grunge is arguable, whether either band 'started' grunge is arguable also.

Zer0 · 10-22-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebony_and_Irony

Pixies started grunge Nirvana got most of the credit, that's why. Both are grunge.

Pixies did not start grunge. It had already started in Seattle when the Pixies formed (see Deep Six compilation). The only influence the Pixies really had on grunge was through Nirvana's adaption of quiet-loud dynamics.

Mojo · 10-22-2009, 02:53 PM

Screaming Tree's were around before either band, for a start.

Zer0 · 10-22-2009, 03:01 PM

So were Soundgarden, Green River and Skin Yard. The only reason i see why the Pixies get labelled 'grunge' was because they influenced Nirvana, otherwise they had nothing to do with the Seattle scene. They were just a really great, influential alternative rock band.

BTown · 10-22-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986

Pixies did not start grunge. It had already started in Seattle when the Pixies formed (see Deep Six compilation). The only influence the Pixies really had on grunge was through Nirvana's adaption of quiet-loud dynamics.

Truth.

Screaming Tress were essentially put in the category of godfathers of Grunge with Soundgarden amd Skin Yard.

BUT in my opinion the very first Grunge band was Green River in 84'.Although Soundgarden started in 84 they didn't release anything until the Deep Six compilation.

Mojo · 10-22-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero1986

So were Soundgarden, Green River and Skin Yard. The only reason i see why the Pixies get labelled 'grunge' was because they influenced Nirvana, otherwise they had nothing to do with the Seattle scene. They were just a really great, influential alternative rock band.

I've always felt the same way about Melvins but i didnt mention them along with Screaming Tree's because i haven't actually heard any of their stuff that was released in the 80's which seems to be their output most labelled as grunge.

boo boo · 10-22-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

Alot of people probably do think that Rush is the best prog band. A lot of people on the other hand probably don't. Everyones opinion is different, im just struggling to see how this really a point worth mentioning.

And they're probably not prog fans either.

If anything, among the actual prog community I'd say Rush are a bit underrated, some of the really snobby prog fans (of which there is plenty of) pretty much treat any prog band that appeals to a more mainstream audience with great resentment.

hoorayforpeepee · 02-17-2010, 03:59 AM

U2 were never really good
Morrissey's solo career is extremely overrated and he has never done anything near as good as what he did with The Smiths
Bruce Springsteen, one or two songs aside, sucks
Pitchfork is a great website

10-22-2009, 02:43 PM	#1633 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Almost all post rock bands are indie? You can believe that if you wish but i wouldnt say so. But then again i wouldnt be putting Blur, Wolfmother, GY!BE, Sonic Youth and Jimmy Eat World in the same category. I know that Jeff is Tim's son. I also know that their music is not similar, they were from different era's, they were estranged and therefore as comparible as Yes and Led Zeppelin. That also is why Jeff's determination to avoid being compared to his father becomes relevant. Again you've said that indie bands don't deserve credit yet i still don't know why. And for such a diverse genre (the term indie is meaningless to me now) i would be interested to hear why you think this. Alot of people probably do think that Rush is the best prog band. A lot of people on the other hand probably don't. Everyones opinion is different, im just struggling to see how this really a point worth mentioning. You just said that the majority of bands active between the years 1960 and 1980 are overrated? So basically what you mean is that most music full stop is overrated? Whether Nirvana take more credit for 'starting' grunge is arguable, whether the Pixies take more credit for 'starting' grunge is arguable, whether either band 'started' grunge is arguable also. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

10-22-2009, 02:53 PM	#1635 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Screaming Tree's were around before either band, for a start. __________________ Last.FM \| Echoes and Dust

10-22-2009, 03:01 PM	#1636 (permalink)
Zer0 ∞ Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 3,792	So were Soundgarden, Green River and Skin Yard. The only reason i see why the Pixies get labelled 'grunge' was because they influenced Nirvana, otherwise they had nothing to do with the Seattle scene. They were just a really great, influential alternative rock band. __________________ Last FM \| RYM \| The Final Sound

02-17-2010, 03:59 AM	#1640 (permalink)
hoorayforpeepee Groupie Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: The Outside World. Posts: 47	U2 were never really good Morrissey's solo career is extremely overrated and he has never done anything near as good as what he did with The Smiths Bruce Springsteen, one or two songs aside, sucks Pitchfork is a great website __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/shortbuzzrider