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Old 09-01-2011, 05:14 PM   #6871 (permalink)
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but it is okay, this is probably the most nu-metal has been discussed since it died in 2002.
I think, Ill Nino, Sevendust, Disturbed, Linkin Park, Taproot, Slipknot, and Spineshank would all disagree with that. =P

I'd even say that it never really died either, considering that it never took the same fall that butt rock, boy bands, or disco did. It just got supplanted a bit by crappy emo/pop punk/screamo/psuedo-hardcore bands. Hell, even emo receives a **** ton more backlash than nu metal nowadays, and rightfully so. It's still a decently popular genre (at least in my area), it's just that only really metalhead snobs despise it for being another form of pop metal, and experimenting with hip hop, which if you have an open mind, is really no problem at all.

Besides, I can probably say that the genre's gonna be revived sometime later this decade, considering that it has the angst of emo, just minus the gayness, and it's alot edgier then hip hop, but still shares the same kind of fun party vibe to an extent. I mean, Hollywood Undead pretty much singlehandlely revived rap rock to an extent, so I don't see why it wouldn't happen soon, hell they can even mix dubstep elements into the genre, and create something that's fresh sounding, and would probably be totally cool to listen to high. XD
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:19 PM   #6872 (permalink)
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I think, Ill Nino, Sevendust, Linkin Park, Taproot, Slipknot, and Spineshank would all disagree with that. =P
Linkin Park hasn't made Nu Metal since Meteora... they've been too busy with preachy terrible garbage alternative rock.
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:24 PM   #6873 (permalink)
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Linkin Park hasn't made Nu Metal since Meteora... they've been too busy with preachy terrible garbage alternative rock.
Meteora was released in 2003, a year after nu metal apparently "died", and yeah, most of their newer stuff (except for Bleed It Out) is kinda lame, they pretty much pulled a Bon Jovi.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:16 PM   #6874 (permalink)
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The sales for many of those bands have declinded for the most part. Basically with all those bands you mentioned, they may still have their niche audience, but public interest is declining, as the sales and commercial failures they have seen. Nu-Metal's core audience was the teen angst market, if anything I would call it an evolution (or de-evolution, depending on what side of the fence you are on) of Grunge. It owed just as much to them as it did Pantera or Slayer. Was always aimed at that demographic. Korn and Limp Bizkit both released albums recently that say they interest is not there anymore. So far Korn's last album has very little when compared it them at the peak of when Nu-Metal was the thing. Looking at the sales figures, in 5 months Korn's last album said 350,000 world wide. I would say 2002 was the commercial death of the style, when it went downhill. The better bands like say Deftones evolved into a different band, while say Korn to this day are just trying to re-capture that time and it is now just cliche. Nu-Metal will have it's niche markets, but it is not the big boom and popularity.


Yeah, emo gets a lot of backlash... but it's origins were much more interesting. Emo and Screamo, listen to the origins.. Fugazi, Rites of Spring, Swing Kids, Antioch Arrow ... Both those styles just a bad name cause of what is associated with it now, but they had a much better ethic in my mind and the music was just more interesting.

Anyways, I do not care if people listen to nu-metal, if ya get off on it.. whatever helps ya get through the night.. However, I do not care if you listen to it, and suggesting you get into other types of metal is just trying to expand the horizons. It is not the fact the core fanbase listens to Nu-Metal, it is just that the majority of them all think Metal starts and ends with just that one style. It is just as equal snobbery to me to disregard the rest of it... many I have met have just been close minded like that.
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Old 09-01-2011, 06:38 PM   #6875 (permalink)
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Don't kill me MB, but I think a number of the nu-metal bands that were influenced by Faith No More are much better than Faith No More. "The Real Thing" just does not click at all with me
Yes but that wasn't a great album in hindsight although it was very influential. Angel Dust is so much better and King For A Day is damn good too. The Real Thing sounds very dated in parts which is a shame as it was one of those albums that shaped my formative years and I saw them twice on the same tour for the album (the gigs did kick arse though).

As for the Black Metal comment from someone else (can't be bothered to check back) I have to agree apart from the atmospheric bands that actually add something to the genre and sound more unique (Allagoch being a prime example as well as Akercocke). There is a lot of absolute trash in the Black Metal scene from the last ten years that trades on the imagery and adhere to a basic sound that is poor beyond belief.

I am not a big Black Metal fan but I acknowledge that the early 90's gave us many bands that strived to do something original with the genre and have their own sound but there is so much garbage in that genre it is unreal.

If bands such as the aforementioned Agalloch ,Akercocke and Velvet Cacoon came along more frequently then I would pay more attention to the scene.

Notice to Black Metal bands : speed blasts, 100 MPH riffs and stupid face paint does not make you intense at all. I have heard far more intense music from genres completely unrelated to Black Metal.
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:54 PM   #6876 (permalink)
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As for the Black Metal comment from someone else (can't be bothered to check back) I have to agree apart from the atmospheric bands that actually add something to the genre and sound more unique (Allagoch being a prime example as well as Akercocke). There is a lot of absolute trash in the Black Metal scene from the last ten years that trades on the imagery and adhere to a basic sound that is poor beyond belief.

I am not a big Black Metal fan but I acknowledge that the early 90's gave us many bands that strived to do something original with the genre and have their own sound but there is so much garbage in that genre it is unreal.

If bands such as the aforementioned Agalloch ,Akercocke and Velvet Cacoon came along more frequently then I would pay more attention to the scene.

Notice to Black Metal bands : speed blasts, 100 MPH riffs and stupid face paint does not make you intense at all. I have heard far more intense music from genres completely unrelated to Black Metal.
That was me. And I suppose I'll be checking those bands out as well!
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Old 09-01-2011, 07:56 PM   #6877 (permalink)
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Yes but that wasn't a great album in hindsight although it was very influential. Angel Dust is so much better and King For A Day is damn good too. The Real Thing sounds very dated in parts which is a shame as it was one of those albums that shaped my formative years and I saw them twice on the same tour for the album (the gigs did kick arse though).

As for the Black Metal comment from someone else (can't be bothered to check back) I have to agree apart from the atmospheric bands that actually add something to the genre and sound more unique (Allagoch being a prime example as well as Akercocke). There is a lot of absolute trash in the Black Metal scene from the last ten years that trades on the imagery and adhere to a basic sound that is poor beyond belief.

I am not a big Black Metal fan but I acknowledge that the early 90's gave us many bands that strived to do something original with the genre and have their own sound but there is so much garbage in that genre it is unreal.

If bands such as the aforementioned Agalloch ,Akercocke and Velvet Cacoon came along more frequently then I would pay more attention to the scene.

Notice to Black Metal bands : speed blasts, 100 MPH riffs and stupid face paint does not make you intense at all. I have heard far more intense music from genres completely unrelated to Black Metal.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:06 PM   #6878 (permalink)
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Linkin Park hasn't made Nu Metal since Meteora... they've been too busy with preachy terrible garbage alternative rock.
the new Linkin Park is pretty dam terrif

i don't care if it's nu-metal or not
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:24 PM   #6879 (permalink)
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Indeed. But I do like normal Black Metal as well, it's just hard to find good stuff. I like quite a few of the "must haves" from the 90s, as well as some current stuff from bands who have been around for awhile, like Tsjuder or Mayhem. 1349 is one of the only new bands that I enjoy (and even they formed in 1997). And for the record, they just came out with a new album.

I think one of the big things about it for me is the atmosphere. Those first black metal albums that came out just can't be beat. That being said, I do enjoy all of the stuff that's going on now. Just not those albums/artists who try to recreate what it was in the 90s. Amesoeurs, The Secret, Liturgy, and all those bands who continue to push the envelope are fantastic. They're doing something new, like the original bands in the 90s.
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Old 09-01-2011, 08:59 PM   #6880 (permalink)
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It's all about the atmosphere for me too, and I'd say Transilvanian Hunger is my favourite Black Metal album for that reason. I love the minimalist style of it, which is something I think DSBM shares to a degree. It's the ambience of bands like Nyktalgia that pulls me in.
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