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View Poll Results: Does John Peel deserve to make the Hall of Fame?
Yes 11 91.67%
No 1 8.33%
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:23 PM   #2601 (permalink)
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Old 05-18-2010, 06:49 PM   #2602 (permalink)
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i voted no.

not because Beethoven sucks, not in the least, but all i can honestly say i know about his music without doing a bit of research is the piece that was used in milk commercials when i was a kid (most likely ode to joy) and that one bit from one of his symphonies. hardly enough to merit much of anything from a personal perspective.

i always thought this is supposed to be the site's HoF. the bands WE actually like, not the ones we think we're supposed to like because of some outward perception on what is supposed to be good or acclaimed by default (elitist behavior not unlike the so-called sheep of the mainstream so many of the younger members seem intent on distancing themselves from...)

i've been here for 2 years now, i've got more fingers on one hand than times i've seen substantial discussions about classical music here. in fact the only one i remember was when some idiot noob claimed Classical music was a simple joke and that he could write a symphony within 2 months.

so why is Beethoven nominated again? who actually honestly listens to his symphonies? who can say anything about him aside from the anecdote about being deaf and being one of the big 3 composers? who are we trying to impress here? Yahoo Answers and Wikipedia? the upper crust of haute-culture?

i'd rather here the case as to why Miley Cyrus or Lady Gaga should or should not be in this site's HoF (if current popular topics of discussion are any indication).

hell, reading that intro bit about Beethoven it's basically laid out in a way that if you aren't planning to vote Yes you should abstain until you're ready to vote that way. in which case, what the hell is the point of even having a nomination process if it's 'supposed' to be unanimous? the idea that we wouldn't have modern music resting solely on the shoulders on a single individual from so long ago in history is both absurd and derogatory to human potential.
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Old 05-18-2010, 07:30 PM   #2603 (permalink)
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I'm gonna go ahead and agree with the above and vote "no" rather than simply abstain...
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Old 05-18-2010, 08:39 PM   #2604 (permalink)
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i voted no.

not because Beethoven sucks, not in the least, but all i can honestly say i know about his music without doing a bit of research is the piece that was used in milk commercials when i was a kid (most likely ode to joy) and that one bit from one of his symphonies. hardly enough to merit much of anything from a personal perspective.
Are you really judging a 65 minute symphony on some 30 second jingle inspired by it ?
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Are you really judging a 65 minute symphony on some 30 second jingle inspired by it ?
not even close. what i'm getting at is that i'm not that familiar with his stuff because quite frankly i don't feel the need. i can still recognize and respect the influence he's had on music. there's no denying that, but taste wise, what i've heard has not filled me with a need for more. when i'm in the mood for classically inspired music there are select Aphex Twin tracks that i turn to.

if you like it then that's fantastic, i'm not going to vote yes just because it's what i'm 'supposed' to do because he was influential. hell, Pachelbel and his Canon in D is probably more responsible for most pop music than Beethoven.
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Old 05-19-2010, 01:32 AM   #2606 (permalink)
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I think if the person who voted no should come forward and if they don't the vote should be deleted, we did this with hendrix and it would be terribly biased and unfair to not to it with good old Ludwig.
Why is it terribly biased and unfair for me not to explain the way I vote? From my perspective, 18th white European composers have received more than their fair share of honors. In the United States, the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Council for the Arts spends 90% of their music budget underwritting American symphonies who primarily play music composed by 18th Century white European composers. European classical music receives the lion's share of both wealthy patron donations and endowments for funds underwritten by the American taxpayer. It's not like the United States is utterly lacking a music culture or history.

Why aren't American art foundations honoring the great musical folkways of the United States by underwritting public performances of ragtime music, jazz, the blues, Appalachian mountain music composed by great American songwriters like Duke Ellington, Count Baise, Robert Johnson, Phil Ochs, John Lurie, Thelonious Monk, John Fahey, Maybelle Carter, Scott Joplin, Sun Ra, John Zorn, Johnny Cash, Phillip Glass Don van Vliet and Harold Budd?

It would have been nice if the National Endowment for the Arts would have spent just a little bit of that Beethoven money to honor a brilliant folk blues composer like Blind Willie McTell, who was poor, black and never received a royal commission to compose his music. Blind Willie composed music because he loved music and he spent most of his life playing for spare change on street corners and in parking lots, not in royal chambers and symphony halls.

The reason why I didn't vote for Beethoven is he's already immortal and he's already received more than enough accolades over the past 350 years. Beethoven doesn't need my vote or your vote to feel affirmed and he'd probably be baffled at his nomination by this forum.

I would appreciate it if forum members would respect the privacy of my vote and respect my right to remain silent on the reasons I voted for or against certain nominees.
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Nice explanation, I just saw it terribly unfair that Hendrix was getting that treatment and others weren't, kinda biased. But yeh I'm fine with people voting no.
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Why is it terribly biased and unfair for me not to explain the way I vote? From my perspective, 18th white European composers have received more than their fair share of honors. In the United States, the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Council for the Arts spends 90% of their music budget underwritting American symphonies who primarily play music composed by 18th Century white European composers. European classical music receives the lion's share of both wealthy patron donations and endowments for funds underwritten by the American taxpayer. It's not like the United States is utterly lacking a music culture or history.

Why aren't American art foundations honoring the great musical folkways of the United States by underwritting public performances of ragtime music, jazz, the blues, Appalachian mountain music composed by great American songwriters like Duke Ellington, Count Baise, Robert Johnson, Phil Ochs, John Lurie, Thelonious Monk, John Fahey, Maybelle Carter, Scott Joplin, Sun Ra, John Zorn, Johnny Cash, Phillip Glass Don van Vliet and Harold Budd?

It would have been nice if the National Endowment for the Arts would have spent just a little bit of that Beethoven money to honor a brilliant folk blues composer like Blind Willie McTell, who was poor, black and never received a royal commission to compose his music. Blind Willie composed music because he loved music and he spent most of his life playing for spare change on street corners and in parking lots, not in royal chambers and symphony halls.

The reason why I didn't vote for Beethoven is he's already immortal and he's already received more than enough accolades over the past 350 years. Beethoven doesn't need my vote or your vote to feel affirmed and he'd probably be baffled at his nomination by this forum.

I would appreciate it if forum members would respect the privacy of my vote and respect my right to remain silent on the reasons I voted for or against certain nominees.
That was ****ing badass and fun to read...
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I would appreciate it if forum members would respect the privacy of my vote and respect my right to remain silent on the reasons I voted for or against certain nominees.
Why? You're on a discussion forum. This isn't some secret ballot or anything.

Speaking to a lot of people who post here one of their biggest annoyances are people who vote in polls who don't make any effort to say why they chose one way or another.

This is about expressing opinions, the end result and the number of votes isn't really that important.
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