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Old 01-09-2013, 04:12 PM   #61 (permalink)
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AiC made a very good record called Dirt. I would check it out. Most of their other music is pretty much junk...save both Sap and Jar of Flies...two very good EP's by the band.
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Where Pearl Jam really was musically talented, big arena music, Nirvana was stripped down. The former looked to elaborate monumental rock such as Led Zeppelin for inspiration in their music while the latter looked to bands like the Pixies and the Wipers.
I've said the same thing on here myself on at least two occasions.

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Like Ghost Jam said, one of the major elements about Nirvana (same as the Beatles) was being there. You do not (and cannot) truly grasp how relevant the band was if you weren't there to experience it. It's not to say they were the only group, or the best group, but they were the one at the top of the pile. Somehow for whatever reason they found a way to resonate with the rest of us.
The problem is, that there's not too many people on the forum to actually remember Nirvana when they first came out. I thought they were amazing when I first saw them and I still think they're amazing today, when I actually do listen to them.

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As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Ghost Jam, you are overreacting. Your statements are redicilous.
If anybody looked at the bulk of your posts, they'd say much the same thing.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:59 PM   #62 (permalink)
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The problem is, that there's not too many people on the forum to actually remember Nirvana when they first came out. I thought they were amazing when I first saw them and I still think they're amazing today, when I actually do listen to them.
I was in high school when Nevermind came out. I liked it at the time, though it certainly wasn't my favorite album. Then Nirvana became so overhyped and ubiquitous that I got really tired of hearing them and hearing about them. Unfortunately, I feel like they've been kind of ruined for me, through no fault of their own. I just feel like I've been so over saturated with them over the past two decades that it's hard for me to sit down and listen to their albums and enjoy them on their own terms anymore. Though, now that I'm talking about it, I have to admit I kind of feel like listening to them. Maybe I will.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:18 PM   #63 (permalink)
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i was in high school when nevermind came out. I liked it at the time, though it certainly wasn't my favorite album. Then nirvana became so overhyped and ubiquitous that i got really tired of hearing them and hearing about them. Unfortunately, i feel like they've been kind of ruined for me, through no fault of their own. I just feel like i've been so over saturated with them over the past two decades that it's hard for me to sit down and listen to their albums and enjoy them on their own terms anymore. Though, now that i'm talking about it, i have to admit i kind of feel like listening to them. Maybe i will.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:56 PM   #64 (permalink)
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You don't understand! They cannot be overrated! They. Are. Nirvana!
Not so much overrated when compared to being so over played through the years.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:16 PM   #65 (permalink)
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They are not my favourite either. I do like their hits but I can't listen to a whole album.
Nevermind is practically a greatest hits, you couldn't sit through that?

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Grunge was an abomination of tedious bands of which Nirvana were about the only one that had any life in them.
Does this include Soundgarden or Alice in Chains? The first one seems closer to Metal but I know they're often associated. I'd say the same for the latter but they have an even closer association.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:50 PM   #66 (permalink)
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As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.
If anybody looked at the bulk of your posts, they'd say much the same thing.
Of course you are defending the nonsense of Ghost Jam's comments. You know as well as I do that not everyone cares for Nirvana. I simply stating the obvious. Not everyone cares for Nirvana. I mean I know Ghost Jam loves nirvana. Obviously yes I like Franco and Pepe Kalle but my name makes that obvious. You should know that I like those two since that is my name here. DUH. But I understand that not everyone is going to like Franco and Pepe Kalle. I respect that. But Ghost Jam is mad that not everyone like Nirvana. That is all what I am stating. Ghost Jam knows that he is being a *******.
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I never think of Nirvana as "grunge"...and I don't think I ever did. I was 15 when Nevermind was released, and the most I remember about "grunge" was that it was the word our parents and Letterman were using to try and understand the music we were listening to.
Totally true. I've always felt like the word 'grunge' is kind of embarrassing. It was made up well after I loved Nirvana, anyway. And I hated that Nirvana was suddenly associated with the likes of Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots. I don't think it had much to do with adults trying to understand the music though. The word just kind of happened. I guess because the bands appeared...grungy?

One interesting thing that happened back then is that old people noticed these "grunge" bands because they were suddenly so popular, and saying that they were the return of "real rock music" because they were disgusted by music that was popular through the eighties. For instance, my friend's dad asked to borrow my Screaming Trees tape (Sweet Oblivion, their 6th album) because he said it was the best new music he'd heard since the seventies.

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I view Cobain as perhaps the best lyricist since Dylan and the one band you can ALWAYS site as playing music from the bottom of their testicles.
I'm not sure what you mean about testicles but I've gotta disagree with you on the lyricism. I do think Cobain wrote pretty cool lyrics but documentary evidence has shown us that he wrote most of them just to fit into the song structures that were written beforehand. They were usually an afterthought and generally don't mean much.

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Nirvana was important to my generation, having graduated high school in 94. I enjoyed their music then and still enjoy it now.

I never worshiped them or Kurt Cobain.

I don't care who likes them or who doesn't.

They're just a milestone in the history of music like many other bands.

Of course you're not the only one not to like Nirvana.
This post makes the most sense to me. I got the 'Nevermind' tape for Xmas of 1991 and I don't think it left my car's tape deck until March. That time was as close as I ever got to worship. I think In Utero is a better album but I was never sad that there would be no more Nirvana albums after the suicide. Their existing music was plenty.
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Like Ghost Jam said, one of the major elements about Nirvana (same as the Beatles) was being there. You do not (and cannot) truly grasp how relevant the band was if you weren't there to experience it. It's not to say they were the only group, or the best group, but they were the one at the top of the pile. Somehow for whatever reason they found a way to resonate with the rest of us.
One more thing...

mr dave has brought up an interesting point - Nirvana was a real phenomenon back in the Nevermind days. Cobain was famously distraught that kids who would have hated him in high school were filling up stadiums to see his band. It was this way for a lot of fans too.

I have a distinct teenage memory of standing in line at a mall record store, waiting to buy 'Crippled Children Suck' by the Meatmen. The line was super long and the store was full of Nirvana posters and ads. I noticed that a lot of jocks (for lack of a better term) were lining up to buy Nevermind. It was just weird.

But it's not like these people were just buying the album because it was a cool thing to do (although most of them had probably become hooked on Smells Like Teen Spirit because MTV played the video 3 times each hour) but they actually liked the music. In fact a lot of kids who bought Nevermind were certainly deriding slouchy ugly kids who had fucked up hair and wore thrift store clothes at school. I was sure that I would soon see Nevermind filling up the used bins but it didn't. Everybody seemed to genuinely like the band.

For a brief time, it really was like some Beatles or Elvis type of shit.
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The problem is, that there's not too many people on the forum to actually remember Nirvana when they first came out. I thought they were amazing when I first saw them and I still think they're amazing today, when I actually do listen to them.
Does it matter were they really that great?

I remember my brother telling me how he found a favorite band. After I heard them I was like nevermind. I guess part of my problem of not hailing Nirvana as the greatest band ever is that I heard a lot of music before hearing them. Not that I am an expert in any way.
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...or grunge in general? I don't intend to sit here and dog Nirvana, I don't think they were a terrible band. At least I could sit through one of their songs. I just wanted to ask if there was anyone else out there who feels the same way I do about Nirvana's status as a "legendary" rock band. I just don't see it that way. I think they were ok, but it just kills me how people think they are the greatest thing to ever happen to music. And what's worse is that it seems like one is not allowed to dislike Nirvana. People always look at me like a deer in headlights, puzzled as can be when I tell them I don't like Nirvana. I don't get it. Sure, they were a good band, but why do they have to be everyone's favorite? I have some very strong opinions abouts this whole issue, but I will wait and get other people's opinions before I go into detail about them.
I completely agree. I liked Nirvana as a kid, but their music gets hard on the ears. High schoolers basically got ahold of the name and turned it into just another fad.
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