The Saturday 6-Pack

TheCunningStunt · 07-03-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

There's a guide called DSM-IV, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. For each 'disorder' there is usually a list of symptoms or behaviours, and if you cover a certain number of those behaviours then you are considered to have that disorder and treatment is required. That's what I went through when I was having therapy for BPD. You'd find that a lot of people who are just grumpy and cynical and unhappy with life wouldn't cover the whole list of specific behaviours.

That being said I guess mental illness/ mental disorders is a very blurred territory and it is difficult to draw clear-cut lines.

Ah, interesting. I must find the guide to have a read up. The thing with that is, people who want time off work with a sick note could just read up on it, recite it to a doctor and hey presto.

I myself am always up and down, I'm happy just pinning it on being a bit cynical and a bit moody and unhappy with the way things are. However I never used to be like that, my glass was always half full, so I dunno. I wouldn't ever say I was bi-polar, I wouldn't really want to know if I was. I'm happy just classing myself as a bit of a moody b*stard aat times. Everyone has their good days, and everyone has their bad days.

Astronomer · 07-03-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Ah, interesting. I must find the guide to have a read up. The thing with that is, people who want time off work with a sick note could just read up on it, recite it to a doctor and hey presto.

It doesn't work that way unfortunately, the therapy I went through before I was diagnosed was much more intense than just reciting the list of symptoms and behaviours I could have picked out of a book. The therapy took weeks, months even, and I had to talk about specific examples in my life of times where I performed these things, and the therapist also spoke to my family about my behaviour and my family talked about things that I do. It's pretty intense, I don't think you could get time of work with a sick note/ doctor's certificate unless you were willing to invest your time in months of intensive therapy.

TheCunningStunt · 07-03-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

It doesn't work that way unfortunately, the therapy I went through before I was diagnosed was much more intense than just reciting the list of symptoms and behaviours I could have picked out of a book. The therapy took weeks, months even, and I had to talk about specific examples in my life of times where I performed these things, and the therapist also spoke to my family about my behaviour and my family talked about things that I do. It's pretty intense, I don't think you could get time of work with a sick note/ doctor's certificate unless you were willing to invest your time in months of intensive therapy.

Maybe over there? Someone at my sister's work had time off for depression and she really wasn't depressed. I think she just went to the doctor and he gave her a sick note, that seems to be how it works over here. But I wouldn't swear to it, I try and stay away from doctors/hospitals as much as I can.

Astronomer · 07-03-2010, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Maybe over there? Someone at my sister's work had time off for depression and she really wasn't depressed. I think she just went to the doctor and he gave her a sick note, that seems to be how it works over here. But I wouldn't swear to it, I try and stay away from doctors/hospitals as much as I can.

Yeah, see that just seems wrong to me. I do know people who have done that over here... just gone to doctors and gotten time off work for depression or whatnot, but the doctors often refer them to a mental health professional or make them come back to talk about medication etc. So it's more hassle than simply popping in for a sick note. Plus if you really had depression, I don't think you'd just want a note for time off work. You'd want serious help.

TheCunningStunt · 07-03-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus

Yeah, see that just seems wrong to me. I do know people who have done that over here... just gone to doctors and gotten time off work for depression or whatnot, but the doctors often refer them to a mental health professional or make them come back to talk about medication etc. So it's more hassle than simply popping in for a sick note. Plus if you really had depression, I don't think you'd just want a note for time off work. You'd want serious help.

The NHS is fucked. I really don't think it's as complex as it is over there, though I might be wrong. Like you say a note and time off work wouldn't do much good, if you're depressed or down anyway.. it's difficult to get out of bed. If you're ALLOWED to stay in bed with no repercussions from not being in work then the depression would get worse, thus the time off really wouldn't help. I'd imagine HAVING to drag yourself out of bed, even though you're depressing and it's difficult - that'd be more beneficial than being in bed all day.

Alfred · 07-03-2010, 09:32 PM

1. What is your weirdest sexual fetish if any?
ewwwwwwwww

2. How do you rate your technical abillity at the instruments you play?
Screw technical ability, IT'S ABOUT THE PASSION.

3. Do you have any kind of mental disorder?
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder and it really pisses me off.

4. What is your favorite art movement?
I think surrealism is pretty cool.

5. If you were a movie director what would your style be like?
Loads and loads of references to music, video games, and films that I enjoy and I'd probably sneak a lot of odd props onto the set. I'd totally go over-the-top on special effects and slow-motion action sequences.

6. What is your guiltiest pleasure in TV viewing?
MuchMusic

TheCunningStunt · 07-03-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

3. Do you have any kind of mental disorder?
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder and it really pisses me off.

What OCD do you have?

Burning Down · 07-03-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

6. What is your guiltiest pleasure in TV viewing?
MuchMusic

I always put Much Music on while I'm looking for something else to watch! I used to go to the MMVA's years ago when they had artists that I liked. And I liked Speaker's Corner when it was on that channel (or City, I don't remember). They don't have it anymore

. I think I went in the booth a couple of times and paid a dollar or whatever it was to say something random for a few minutes in hopes of getting on TV

Mojo · 07-03-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

The NHS is fucked. I really don't think it's as complex as it is over there, though I might be wrong. Like you say a note and time off work wouldn't do much good, if you're depressed or down anyway.. it's difficult to get out of bed. If you're ALLOWED to stay in bed with no repercussions from not being in work then the depression would get worse, thus the time off really wouldn't help. I'd imagine HAVING to drag yourself out of bed, even though you're depressing and it's difficult - that'd be more beneficial than being in bed all day.

I know people who have definitely abused the system when it comes to getting imaginary depression-related illnesses diagnosed by the doctor. I've considered going to a doctor in the past for depression and i know this makes no sense but these people have put me off doing it. It makes no sense because for those who are genuinely depressed, they can get help. I've never been 100% sure that ive been depressed but when it came to picking up the phone and making an appointment i just figured that if someone could con a doctor into diagnosing them as being depressed when there was nothing wrong with them then do i really want to go to a doctor, have them tell me im depressed and not really know whether i should believe them or not?

Astronomer · 07-03-2010, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk

I know people who have definitely abused the system when it comes to getting imaginary depression-related illnesses diagnosed by the doctor. I've considered going to a doctor in the past for depression and i know this makes no sense but these people have put me off doing it. It makes no sense because for those who are genuinely depressed, they can get help. I've never been 100% sure that ive been depressed but when it came to picking up the phone and making an appointment i just figured that if someone could con a doctor into diagnosing them as being depressed when there was nothing wrong with them then do i really want to go to a doctor, have them tell me im depressed and not really know whether i should believe them or not?

That's why if you seriously think you need help for a mental or emotional disorder, you need to go to a mental health professional, not a general practitioner. There are mental health doctors everywhere. If you are serious about getting help, you should really try to get the courage to go to a mental health professional, GPs don't do shit. And like discussed, they just diagnose everyone who comes in wanting a sick note - they don't really know a whole lot about mental illness. That's what I've found anyway.

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