Mojo

Well then thats their problem.

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TockTockTock

I think it depends on your definition of feminism. When I think of feminism, I'll admit that extremism does come to mind, but I find that Plum's definition is what its original meaning was meant to be. And I'm sure, for the most part, that the majority of feminists follow this concept. Needless to say, however, there probably are extremists in feminism, but that is the case with every philosophy or religion.

crukster

Sure it is, but what I was getting at and what I believe Dirty is agreeing with, is the fact that that's where the negative stereotype comes from. While it might be ignorant to assume all feminists are like that, it's not unjustified to think that the most vocal and televised ones are.

They get the most media coverage, because they're the most extreme, and the most extreme = reactions, which = ratings for the television companies.

Not everyone is gonna be well versed on "Anne Hymen's musings of a an Amazonian housewife" or whatever over feminist books that are in print I dunno I made that up, the point is to the average joe, skinhead, doc martins and the ability to bench press more than your dad in his army days is what constitutes a feminist, thesedays. So it gets thrown around as an insult sometimes, sure.


Doesn't really matter, words are only words. Matters that people do what they do, if there really are women sorting out inequalities, then yeah more power to them, doesnt matter what average joe thinks.


Definitly man, we've got this schizophrenic society going on. People talk about celebrating differences but at the same time equality is meaning conformity more and more thesedays. I get the genuine feeling some people would be happy living in a world of asexual humans that are all the same size, shape and colour and reproduce by ****ing themselves.

Equal doesn't mean same, men and women are different, as they always should be imo Equality, that's something different, everyone should have the same opportunities in life - education, healthcare, careers etc. Doesn't mean we'll all be the same.

OH BOOO NOES THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE!!! SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES!!!

Extreme Feminism is just penis envy anyway if you ask me.

And that's dumb, pussys are as important as wangs. If we ahd a world full of keys and no locks, what would be the point in having keys? If we had a world full of locks and no keys, how the hell would we open the locks?

Sansa Stark

There is no two ways around it, you perpetuate this stereotype of feminism, saying that women have penis envy. Sorry, no, I'm quite fond of my vagina and I'm about as unmanly as they come. I don't think that the two sexes can ever be equal and ignorant people often downplay the fact that women ARE oppressed. Aside from the whole getting paid less thing, the whole ****ing Republican party is doing its best to put women back in the kitchen, turning back the clock and erasing what feminists fought for way back when. We don't want to be men, we want to be PEOPLE. I mean really, if you're against feminism, you are a ****ing idiot. Women should ALWAYS consider themselves feminists, and the ones who don't are always the ones who feel that womankind's rightful place is serving the men. Anytime we want to stand up for ourselves, our femininity is questioned. Really? Do any of you even watch the news? They want to defund Planned Parenthood, women have been jailed for THINKING about abortion, and someone even wants miscarriages investigated for possible murder. Yet birth control for horses is a possibility. Why should women not be extremists in this case? Why does a man feel its necessary to determine my femininity? I think that's up to me, thanks.

crukster

That's within context of agendas though. What I'm talking about is the agendaless "fashion statement" of being a feminist, again I'm not saying that's what feminism is, I'm saying a minority of people use it for that - same as atheism, same as the highschool "revolutionary communists" and so on. People like that arguably actually harm the causes at hand, and you could call them sellouts, they throw it around as just another label without understanding the idea, use it to "define themselves" without actually doing anything

It's so easy for people to say "I support this" "I support that" "I'm part of such and such group" etc., but it doesn't really mean anything unless they're doing something.

At the end of the day, women's rights are more important in and of themself than "being" a feminist, right? It's only a word, a label. Some people assign too much importance to the word, and it's because of that that there's a general negative view, it's like attention seeking "DEFINE ME DEFINE ME!!" which is also why people are then gonna sneer and make fun of that attention seeking minorty.

But to clarify, I am not saying feminism is just attention seeking. I am saying a lot of feminists are attention seekers, though. But I agree with you that there are legitimate issues to do with women's rights, and I respect a lot of what you said.

And with the penis envy, again I was talking about the minority of extremists. "OH WOW WE'RE SO EQUAL I'M JUST LIKE A MAN!!!" which is not feminism, is it, I get the feeling you'd agree. Again that's arguably harming the actual cause, and perpertrating the negative stereotype of all feminists being ****s who hates men. I don't think they all are, just saying thats why some people use the term as an insult. That minority put themselves out there for the insults by comparing women to men; trying to measure up. Snot equality.

Dr_Rez

I definitly have Vagina envy. I could make people do things I wanted with its mystical power.

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Dirty

If it's anyones problem I'd say it's people who choose to label themselves as feminists considering they are the ones thought of negatively when the word "feminism" comes up. Doesn't really matter to me anyways, I was just agreeing with crukster about why feminism as viewed as an insult. And like I said, the label of feminism is stupid anyways.

Buzzov*en

Really can not stand loud obnoxious women.

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TockTockTock

Actually.... the Republican party has been promoting feminism (even though they are against abortion). They had many candidates that ran in the 2010 congressional races who were female, such as Michelle Bachman and Christine O'Donnell (albeit, both of whom I'm not a fan of). I actually heard media figures at Fox (such as Bill O'Reilly and Shawn Hannity) promoting women's rights and women in general (at the expense of attacking the Democratic party). And yes, I watch the news everyday, and I think the GOP's attacks against Planned Parenthood and NPR are unnecessary and politically-motivated...

But you and I both know they won't succeed.

Now, while I am not a person to advocate abortion, I am certainly for the right for women to control their own bodies. However, I still do not understand why feminists should advocate extremism. The populace does not care for extremism and, for the most part, they do not take it very seriously (unless there are terrorist attacks). Look at the Tea Party as an example, most people don't really take it as a serious organization because of their outrageous behavior. Now... I think if any women should be angry about true, typical oppression, then it should be those from the Middle East and not those from a free, civilized country.


And I'm not a fan of loud, obnoxious men.

djchameleon

that's way too passive. I would buy him some headphones, chuck it on his desk and TELL him to put them on! I bet there would be a slow clap start up and all the other co-workers around him will start clapping.

I quoted this to mention everything Jackpat did he basically beat me to the punch so no need for me to re-state what he did.

I do brah, The power of the P-U-S-S-Y is very strong indeed and there are a few things that I could utilize it for to get what I want.

lol I had to laugh at that because all I could think of are the "strong" black women and how they are mostly just loud and obnoxious majority of the time and some are just straight up ignorant. Then they get pissed with black men date outside of their race and they don't understand why.

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