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Old 07-18-2010, 06:56 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Sinead managed to pull it off at a time when nobody was doing it, and she was a real oddity.

But she did have the advantage of being more of an artist, and having that whole mystical Irish image. And the media was much more fair to Sinead, at least before the whole Pope picture thing. When she first came on the scene, journalists wanted to understand it and explain her shaved head. Today, and especially with Britney, the prevailing brand of journalism is not to understand and explain, but to interpret in the most provocative way and support with any source who'll go on the record.

One thing Sinead and Britney do have in common: in the late 80s/early 90s, every woman with a shaved head "looked just like Sinead" even if there was no resemblance other than gender and lack of hair.

That's probably the most frustrating thing for an acomophile. People who aren't into it don't really even look closely or give much thought to a bald woman when they see one. There's either a knee-jerk "yuck" response, the "not everybody could pull that off" response (if they like it but don't want to admit it looks good), or a superficial comparison to some bald celebrity, which is like saying "they all look alike."
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:34 AM   #82 (permalink)
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I think that is one area where men and women think differently. As I saw it, she had done a wonderful thing, and I was showing my appreciation.

If the roles had been reversed, and I had done something that turned her on, my thinking would have been that I had done well, she was really happy, and I was getting a lot of.... it. I'd have considered it a success, well worth the sacrifice, and taken everything entirely at face value. That is how I believe most men would reason, and I think that is because sex and love are not as entwined as they are in the female mind.
I think your straightforward way of viewing a partner doing something nice for you shows perhaps that you are very confident in your relationship. If you felt inadequate or insecure, then you might assume your partner didn't care for you that much if she showed SO MUCH gusto for whatever change she had requested you make to yourself.

I don't know if sex and love are entwined more in the female mind than a male mind. I haven't seen evidence of this in males or females I've known. Some women really just wanted the thrill of sex with men they were dating; some men invest a lot of emotion into sex and feel it is very meaningful.

Boo boo - why do you recognize and wish the pressure on women to have long head hair would stop, yet you seem happy to continue the pressure on women to shave their legs, saying that keeping body hair is like being a caveman? Why is pressure on women to feel bad about themselves bad in one instance but not in the other?
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Old 07-18-2010, 10:21 AM   #83 (permalink)
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Sinead managed to pull it off at a time when nobody was doing it, and she was a real oddity.

But she did have the advantage of being more of an artist, and having that whole mystical Irish image. And the media was much more fair to Sinead, at least before the whole Pope picture thing. When she first came on the scene, journalists wanted to understand it and explain her shaved head. Today, and especially with Britney, the prevailing brand of journalism is not to understand and explain, but to interpret in the most provocative way and support with any source who'll go on the record.

One thing Sinead and Britney do have in common: in the late 80s/early 90s, every woman with a shaved head "looked just like Sinead" even if there was no resemblance other than gender and lack of hair.

That's probably the most frustrating thing for an acomophile. People who aren't into it don't really even look closely or give much thought to a bald woman when they see one. There's either a knee-jerk "yuck" response, the "not everybody could pull that off" response (if they like it but don't want to admit it looks good), or a superficial comparison to some bald celebrity, which is like saying "they all look alike."
The media always picked on Sinead for being weird and of course her baldness led to a lot of speculation that she was a lesbian, which ended up being kinda true. Maybe back then it was considered just a lesbian thing but today enough women do it that you can't really pin that kind of stereotype on it anymore.

I also hate the "few women can pull it off" response, how in the hell would these people know that? Do they see bald women often to make comparison? No it's just something they already had made up in their minds. From my experience any attractive women who shaves her head comes out looking better, I can't think of any exceptions to the rule. I agree that it's because baldness has a weird way of emphasizing other features, the shape of a woman's head and neck, even ears, they are often distinct from how a man's look and thus these are just other feminine features. Features that are obscured by hair.

And yeah I hate how people now have to use Britney spears as the reference point for every f*cking bald women they see. Sh*t some people are so stupid they might point at a woman with alopecia and say she's copying Britney Spears. It's embarassing to be part of the same species as these people.

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Boo boo - why do you recognize and wish the pressure on women to have long head hair would stop, yet you seem happy to continue the pressure on women to shave their legs, saying that keeping body hair is like being a caveman? Why is pressure on women to feel bad about themselves bad in one instance but not in the other?
I'm not putting pressure on you or anyone for not shaving your legs, all I ever said is that I prefer smooth legs and that's just my aesthetic preference, but one shared by many men that can't be avoided. You might be offended by that but you shouldn't care what I think and thus I don't care if people find bald women ugly just as long as they aren't total pricks about it which they often are.

I'm discouraging any woman from not shaving their legs if that's what they want that's fine.

I'm merely defending women who do choose to do it and why they do it and why men find it preferable and why making yourself sexually presentable is natural, acceptable and common with both sexes.

In regards to the bald issue, I'm not discouraging any woman from keeping their hair, I accept most women love their hair and think that's fine. I just think hair as a feminine symbol is an overrated concept, but not an evil one that should be completely eliminated from society, I believe in freedom of choice. If you recall, I once made a thread about a website of environmentalists who were making a statement by shaving their heads and I was strongly critical of their "if you don't do it you're a bad guy" mentality.

On this issue I'm just challenging a lot of the ideas people have about hair and female baldness. It's not a campaign against hair, just a celebration of an alternative look that doesn't get proper respect. And lets not forget that some women don't have a choice, women with alopecia are made to feel like deformed freaks and the media's attitude doesn't help.

Hypocritically you'll see a lot of ads and promos for charities like Locks of Love (which is fraud btw) which sends a rather mixed message, people act like giving alopecians wigs is like curing some kind of f*cking disease, yes it helps them with their self esteem but why is that? Because people are jerks who will mock someone even if they have a medical condition. Many people with alopecia are otherwise healthy individuals, it's not a life threatening condition (though it's sometimes caused by something that is), with the worst side effect being how people react to it.

And when I watch crappy talk shows like Tyra Banks give alopecians wigs and "sexy" makeovers instead of encouraging them to be themselves, I find it pretty sickening. If more women sported the bald look, alopecians wouldn't stand out so much and they wouldn't have to wear a wig if they didn't want to. That's not an attempt at a guilt trip or anything. But it's yet another reason I love women who embrace the look because it becomes empowering for every bald woman.

Sorry I'm veering off topic. But yeah. I don't oppose your choice Vegan, only the attitude you have with other women who choose the other option. I believe you can make a statement out of your hairy legs without trying to guilt trip women into making the same choice as you and telling them their choice is a wrong choice.

I don't think women with hair are giving in to oppression or anything like that, I know going bald isn't something every chick wants to do. I feel they deserve the option though. They have it just as women have the option not to shave their legs but in both cases ridicule is bound to happen.

But my way of promoting it is by trying to give insight on why I find it attractive and why it deserves to be accepted as a fashion choice. That's what I'm doing instead of telling you and the other girls to straight up shave your heads and calling you conformist slaves for not wanting to do it. Nor am I telling women they are irrational for having hair and they're not being true to themselves or the cause of feminism if they decide to keep it.

Besides I have a better suggestion. I've told you about rule 34 right? I have a suggestion for you, visit a website called rabbitsreviews.com, look up the table of contents and click on "hairy". You will be intrigued by the results.

Well you don't have to get into porn but if you want to find people who can appreciate your hairy gams, becoming a hairy fetish model could be the way to go.

Something to do part time when you're not busy doing scientist stuff lol.
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I get reactions now as a male having a shaved head so for a female to have a shaved head is even more 'odd' to look upon.

I'm not saying it's right at all. I have been called a fascist and a Nazi in my time just because I shave my head so for a woman to have a look that is so diametrically opposed to the classic 'female look' freaks people out.

I talked to a woman once at my place of work who wore a head scarf due to chemotherapy she was having (hence bald) and I managed to convince her that there is nothing wrong whatsoever in looking that way and a few days later she came back without the headscarf which made me so happy for her and she herself said that she felt liberated. Good for her.

It's easy to judge people on first impressions and we all do it but I have found that the people worth knowing are those who make a mockery of that inbuilt initial prejudice.
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I get reactions now as a male having a shaved head so for a female to have a shaved head is even more 'odd' to look upon.

I'm not saying it's right at all. I have been called a fascist and a Nazi in my time just because I shave my head so for a woman to have a look that is so diametrically opposed to the classic 'female look' freaks people out.

I talked to a woman once at my place of work who wore a head scarf due to chemotherapy she was having (hence bald) and I managed to convince her that there is nothing wrong whatsoever in looking that way and a few days later she came back without the headscarf which made me so happy for her and she herself said that she felt liberated. Good for her.

It's easy to judge people on first impressions and we all do it but I have found that the people worth knowing are those who make a mockery of that inbuilt initial prejudice.
That is such a sweet thing for you to do, I'm really impressed.
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I get reactions now as a male having a shaved head so for a female to have a shaved head is even more 'odd' to look upon.

I'm not saying it's right at all. I have been called a fascist and a Nazi in my time just because I shave my head so for a woman to have a look that is so diametrically opposed to the classic 'female look' freaks people out.
I've been lucky that my overall look doesn't lend itself to the Nazi stereotype, although I have, on one or two occasions, had people assume I was the owner of a nearby Harley.

I have heard someone describe a woman shaving her head as the equivalent of a man opting to wear a dress for several weeks, in terms of both people's reactions to her and the level of anxiety and self-consciousness she would have about it. I'm not sure I agree entirely, but it is a good thing to keep in mind when suggesting the idea to a reluctant wife or girlfriend, and it does make one appreciate the bravery of those women who do go out in public completely bald.
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I get reactions now as a male having a shaved head so for a female to have a shaved head is even more 'odd' to look upon.

I'm not saying it's right at all. I have been called a fascist and a Nazi in my time just because I shave my head...
That's so weird. I wonder if the people who said that think Seal is a Nazi too?
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I get reactions now as a male having a shaved head so for a female to have a shaved head is even more 'odd' to look upon.

I'm not saying it's right at all. I have been called a fascist and a Nazi in my time just because I shave my head so for a woman to have a look that is so diametrically opposed to the classic 'female look' freaks people out.

I talked to a woman once at my place of work who wore a head scarf due to chemotherapy she was having (hence bald) and I managed to convince her that there is nothing wrong whatsoever in looking that way and a few days later she came back without the headscarf which made me so happy for her and she herself said that she felt liberated. Good for her.

It's easy to judge people on first impressions and we all do it but I have found that the people worth knowing are those who make a mockery of that inbuilt initial prejudice.
A good friend of mine shaved her head to raise money for cancer. Until her hair grew in long enough for a "pixie cut" type style, she got a LOT of strange looks. Some were pitying, as if assuming she had cancer or alopecia, other's just stared at her as if she were a zoo animal, it was pretty eye opening.

My older brother also shaved his head to raise money for cancer, but he did it with his entire high school football team. The group of them got a LOT of looks, but they were more apprehensive and nervous looks. They were all well over 6 feet tall, and most of them pretty bulked up despite only being in high school. My brother just thought it was funny.
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I'm really surprised to hear about guys getting looks for having a shaved head. It's a pretty common thing around these parts, especially for guys with thinning hair.
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I'm really surprised to hear about guys getting looks for having a shaved head. It's a pretty common thing around these parts, especially for guys with thinning hair.
I think it was more the fact that it was a group of 15-20 guys walking around after the fact, all VERY tall, quite large, and all with shaved heads rather than the actual baldness
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