Ill be surprised if they survive that long.

We've had this dude about my age coming in over the last two months selling his record collection piece by piece. Metal, punk, grindcore, hardcore, darkwave, indie...all sorts of great f*cking stuff. We had our suspicions that drugs were involved because he was very remorseful about selling them and also vague as to why he needed the money. Either way, he sort of became a friend of the store.

One of his friends who shops here pretty much guessed that the influx of awesome records that we've been getting have been coming from him. He asked us to call him next time he comes in because he'd like to buy them. Now, I thought this was just a dude that wanted to get his friends records on the sly. Was wrong about that. Turns out he wanted to buy them because he knows how much they mean to him and he pretty much told us about the dudes drug issues without outright saying it. My guess is that he's paying off a dealer with the proceeds. We have paid him close to ten thousand dollars for the collection so you can guess how good these records are. Original presses. Took a long time to collect these.

I know they're just records but it makes me very sad that he's had to resort to selling his possessions, albeit for more than fair prices, to get out of trouble. It's been hard to buy these knowing what I thought I knew, and now, basically being told my assumptions were correct.

He just left. He gave me a hug and said thanks. Now I'm all sad.

Don't do drugs peoples.

****in' hell that's terrible. I ain't tellin' you how to do your business since you're the one who has to live off it but I'd be giving that dude's friend mad discounts on those records.

I wonder if he knew about addiction before he started.

I get that it’s really sad but sometimes I’m just like ffs. Instead of selling your record collection go get help. Get the number for NA and the next time he comes in tell him to go there. It’s not just meetings. They always know the best mental health options and addiction treatments.

If the junky gets them back he’ll just sell them again. You gotta kick and you gotta deal with it for the rest of your life.

I thought you couldn’t live on yang’s $1000

He couldn't afford what we even paid for them. It's sad. We found out way too late. We even gave him a lot of opportunity to keep stuff. He never admitted to us he had an issue. Just that he was out of work.

We didn't know until just now. See the above response. I have a vast family history with drugs. Had I known about this, I'd have tried to help him. Plus, I don't know what kind of trouble he is in. He might be in a dealers pocket for all I know and this ten grand IS helping him. I know for sure other stores wouldn't have paid him as well as us.

But that means letting the world know that the world inside your head is a wasteland that's been crumbling for quite possibly your entire life. I got a booze problem but it's nothing like what I imagine this guy is going through but I also have a me problem that I don't want anyone to know about so I can understand why that + an intense feeling of need for a thing would make seeking help feel almost like summoning the devil to just get on with Revelations already.

I mean we don't have free will, right? And whatever passes for free will in the human brain getting co-opted by chemicals? When you're seeing it in person you're reacting to your own emotions about how that person's actions are affecting you or other people you know but you're not reacting to the hell inside that person's head. There's just no meaningful way to judge that ****.

I'm sure, but maybe the friend will keep them in his basement until the other guy gets clean.

I think that was his intent.

the free will issue is irrelevant

you ALWAYS have to pretend you have free will

It’s not situational because you NEVER have free will

When you need help you get help

Exo yeah I thought that too he’s in the hole to a dealer / there’s nothing wrong with buying his records / I’ve sold records - who cares? You can still listen to the music.

I’m just saying tell him to get help.

And I mean also I've known a few junkies, and they often don't have people around them who care enough to do something like this cause they might not be the best people in general. Maybe this guy has enough strength of character both to kick whatever he's on and to attract someone willing to buy back his records and keep them until he's clean.

I think I'm going to reach out to him.

Yabut

I mean all my valuable records I bought when they came out for you know $10 or so

Anyway, I ain’t sayin you’re doin anything wrong Exo

Junkidom brings out a lot of emotions and it’s hard to even know how to feel

frustrated with the junky
sad
pissed off
Scared
annoyed

Yeah basically. Empathy is pretty hard when they're clearly acting like a scumbag.

That's the thing though. He's actually just a sad dude. I mean, I've been around drugs my whole life. Most of you guys know the story of my brother. This kid just seemed like, sad, you know? I wouldn't even call him a junkie. Just a dude with, most likely, a bad problem.

Sure but I'm speaking in general cause I know you and OH have dealt with junkies more intimately than just buying records from them when they need money for drugs.

And while yes this is true for YOU you must always remember that this is not true. It's impossible to live your life while believing that you have no free will, but living your life as if everyone else has free will has irrational consequences on how you view their decision-making. You must always remember that everyone is an automaton and even if this doesn't help you it can help your interpretation of others.

I agree.

God this **** sucks. Give me the blue pill.

My day:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20160207011905

Your whole view point is irrational. It's like you don't know what to do with the information you have.

Understanding influence is important. Builds sympathy and prevents ****ty situations. Using it as an excuse to refuse accountability is not. The consequences of ****ty behavior is a driving influence in preventing ****ty behavior.

Yeah. Get your **** together, Ori.

lol

If you're talking to me then yes the things that happen in the real world have effects. I'm not not misunderstanding this due to having a slow understanding of the world. I don't even know how to explain cause and effect in this way as it pertains to free will because the concept of free will is nonsensical and is hard to deconstruct. It's not explaining a concept so much as asking you to stop thinking like you're thinking, AKA stop time as it is happening in your head, and consider a completely different form of reality.

Well why are you misunderstanding it then?

Day's just started here. I didn't want to leave for work, though. At the breakfast table, my daughter told me she wanted to listen to music. I asked her what she wanted, and she said They Might Be Giants. My kids are all big fans of Flood and Apollo 18. I told her I wanted to introduce her to Lincoln, so I put it on, and she (and her sisters) loved it immediately. They were all having such a good time, and I didn't want to leave. What a great album!

Okay, let's take this down to its most easily understood concept and move on from there. If I'm playing pool and I hit a pool ball so that it rebounds from the wall of a pool table that ball will rebound in a trajectory that is mathematically calculable, right? Don't add anything to that, just, is that logical?

I'm not saying you have a slow understanding I'm saying that you're confused on how to deal with free will not existing.

Edit: You don't understand how to react to that information.

Then assume I'm stupid and deal with my last post.

If you’re talking to Batlord you obviously don’t understand what he’s saying.

Yes.

Yes, live as if you have free will and others don't to better understand and react to things.

Then what is fundamentally different about a pool ball rebounding off a pool table wall and human choice?

What is fundamentally different about one thing that is definable and predictable by math and human choice?

What PRECISELY is the difference? There has to be a precise difference or else both are mathematically calculable.

See, I knew you were going to try and make it into a debate about whether or not free will exists when that's not the discussion.


The difference though, is that an inanimate object lacks a brain to give it consciousness. It is unaware of what it does. It only reacts to physical causes. Humans have complex brains that give them a better awareness of their surroundings. They don't just purely react to what's physical, they react to the information they gather to try and manipulate the outcome into their preference. Whether or not it's calculable is irrelevant. Oh, and preference is also something pool balls don't have.

Gravity and inertia don't exist because the outcome of a pool ball when hit can be accurately predicted, can never be changed under the same conditions, and pool balls aren't magic. Anyone who believes the Christian paradigm of gravity or inertia doesn't warrant a serious response on the subject.

You forget to tell them that they just aren't there yet.

:confused:

The only reason that anyone believes in gravity or inertia is because they grew up in a Christian society where it seemed like the default stance. Anyone with a brain cell to their name recognizes that gravity and inertia are retarded.

Yeah, I'm aware of awareness. I'm not retarded. Remember the phrase that you yourself used: "better awareness". Better awareness means nothing. It's just more complexity in thought which means that it's harder to define and therefore harder to... define. There's no added meaning. It's just harder to... think about. That's entirely it.