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Anteater 09-07-2019 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by occulthawk (Post 2077005)
this is probably the most dick headed conceited **** i’ve ever read on this board.

f a c e b o o k

Disingenuous bull**** doesn't work on me. I've lived through all that already from plenty of other people. I don't need it.

When I've received help in my life, it's because I put myself into a position to be helped and at least try to help someone else. If you think that's conceited...whatever. We are the sum of the people we connect ourselves with. When I changed the way I did things to focus on that, I made better connections and brought them more value in some way. All because I wanted to help my family when they were too sick to do anything else.

You guys don't want to fight for anything in your own lives anymore, so you spit on my POV. "man, capitalism sure is ****ty. Look at all those poor kids in other countries". Great. Are you going to go do something about it? If I could give every single one of those kids a better opportunity here with my own power, I certainty would..but that's not a battle I want to fight when I have other people right here that I need to take care of.

Frownland 09-07-2019 09:27 PM

This is for you

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jwb 09-07-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2076996)
Everyone who has a pot to piss in thinks they earned it.

And for the love of God. Please, PLEASE, really please stop mentioning Facebook. FFS stop.

And just to change the narrative, when **** went my way, and I was walking around big Asian cities with hundreds of dollars in my pocket and eating expensive ass meals and drinking 18 year old scotch I didn’t earn ****. It just ****ing rolls one way or the other. When **** is rolling your way instead of patting yourself on the back why not have some humility and think man I could be on the wrong side of all this? Ever since I went to India and Bangladesh and saw little kids starving and leprosy and all that I knew I had nothing to do with any part what I was doing except that I was cog in the oppression that was the poverty of all the dying in front of me. I’m sorry but it’s like that. And btw if you have money someone DID give it to you. No one earns ****.

I don't believe circumstance is irrelevant or that everything happens by choice

But you seem to be trading the inverse option, which is equally irrational: that it's all random circumstance and how you behave is irrelevant.

That's just transparently not true. You could have decided not to graduate high school or go to college, and if you did you never would've been a teacher.

Anteater 09-07-2019 09:30 PM

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Frownland 09-07-2019 09:32 PM

Give Anteater's cookie back, Batlord!

Anteater 09-07-2019 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2077009)
I don't believe circumstance is irrelevant or that everything happens by choice

But you seem to be trading the inverse option, which is equally irrational: that it's all random circumstance and how you behave is irrelevant.

That's just transparently not true. You could have decided not to graduate high school or go to college, and if you did you never would've been a teacher.

Church.

Murphy's Law is a very real thing. My dad didn't ask for a crippling heart condition in his mid 30's when he had two young kids and a wife too sick to work. And my little brother didn't ask for a brain aneurysm before he graduated university either.

What I've been talking about just points back to that 2% of life we actually can control. And how we choose to react to **** that happens to us. Big cookies.

jwb 09-07-2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077018)
doing something about it is kinda beyond the scope of the conversation

it's really not. This whole conversation started over a dispute over the extent to which you can change/improve your life

OH said plain and simple it's all just random circumstance, which is quite simply untrue.

jwb 09-07-2019 10:48 PM

So you can't do anything that will possibly make your life better?

jwb 09-07-2019 10:58 PM

What a nice non answer

Mondo Bungle 09-08-2019 01:45 AM

I think everyone just needs to calm down and stop being a bitch

Raime 09-08-2019 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 2077038)
I think everyone just needs to calm down and stop being a bitch

I mean, we all gonna die one day.

jwb 09-08-2019 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077028)
I honestly think it's a wash, sorry that view isn't optimistic enough for you

"you can try the best you can, you can try the best you can..."


I mean it's a simple yes or no question. I'm assuming that by it's a wash you're saying no.

One time when we had this argument you said nobody is saying choice doesn't matter at all. Now, if I'm reading you right, you're saying precisely that it doesn't.

It's not just that this isn't optimistic. It's wrong. And it provides a convenient rationalization for making bad and/or lazy decisions.

jwb 09-08-2019 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077045)
certainly you have autonomy, so choice does matter

but precisely nobody is going through life always making the right decision

the degree to which a poor decision ends up keeping you down largely comes down to your social class

and the decisions you end up making are influenced by your environment

so in a practical sense, it's a wash

I think this is what I've been consistently saying

Nobody consistently makes the right decisions because nobody is perfect. You can still affect your outcome by your decisions.

It's true that people are influenced in their decision making but once again there is nothing inevitable about how you are influenced. If social cues influence your decisions, then so does the importance you ascribe to decision making. So if you view them as mostly pointless, you have no incentive to make any sacrifices or abstain from any impulses.

I know my decisions matter because I know what my impulses are. Living at a half way house and trying to slowly pay off my debt to the state isn't a glamorous existence. But I know first hand that it can be much worse.

jwb 09-08-2019 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077046)
in the case of Batty and OH though it just seems like capitalism is not offering them something that's worth the effort

and I can't blame either of them for it

I work to go to school entirely for the social aspect of it come to think of it

I need the grades to get into a University

I'm dreading the actually getting a job after part, I don't really see the point either, I'll probably hate it

No offense but aren't you the same guy who's goal doesn't allow for him to make a B in a community college math class cause it will hurt his GPA?

jwb 09-08-2019 12:48 PM

You're right. The worse off you are the harder it is to do anything about it. There's no doubt about that. When you go into the realm of the third world... A lot times their only hope is to flee and try to migrate. And even that is something most can't afford or they don't want to leave their family etc.

But I'm sure that in their day to day lives their decisions also matter. I'm not saying that you can bootstrap your way out of anything. I'm saying your behavior and your decisions are the only thing you have any control over that affect your well being. And so they matter.

jwb 09-08-2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077073)
Ye just cuz being a student sounds cool and fun

a B would significantly shrink the colleges that would accept me

**** me as to what happens after I graduate

please... You don't need to go to an elite school to have fun at college. You clearly have a work ethic and are goal oriented. What you should be experiencing right now is called cognitive dissonance.

OccultHawk 09-08-2019 12:52 PM

A drowning man could be on fire. Lucky bastard.

jwb 09-08-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077078)
community college is real ****ing lame

you can get into a university with a B on your record.

jwb 09-08-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2077076)
A drowning man could be on fire. Lucky bastard.

I'm sorry for whatever loss you've had and I wasn't intentionally trying to demean the position you're in.

jwb 09-08-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077081)
I just think we fall into the trap of thinking poverty somewhere else is the result of a bad economy

but poverty in my back yard is poor decisions

reality is that scarcity causes poverty everywhere you go

it's like you're not even reading what I'm saying

I never said your decisions are going to determine everything and that circumstances don't exist. Just that decisions matter.

The difference between the first world and the third world is a matter of degree. There's a reason that they flee here. Cause it offers a better existence.

OccultHawk 09-08-2019 01:08 PM

If someone eats all the pie and gives you an empty plate it’s his fault you ain’t got no pie. You can put on a bib. Get a nice fork. Say mmmm this is some good ****ing pie. Pat your belly like you’re full. Get a toothpick and clean your teeth. Wash the plate until it sparkles. Pretend you ain’t hungry. And starve. Murica!

WWWP 09-08-2019 02:12 PM

So deep

OccultHawk 09-08-2019 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2077088)
So deep

It was better than anything you’ve ever written.

WWWP 09-08-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2077089)
It was better than anything you’ve ever written.

Ok lol

OccultHawk 09-08-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077090)
it's true despite the hideous metaphor

Fair enough

Anteater 09-08-2019 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2077084)
If someone eats all the pie and gives you an empty plate it’s his fault you ain’t got no pie. You can put on a bib. Get a nice fork. Say mmmm this is some good ****ing pie. Pat your belly like you’re full. Get a toothpick and clean your teeth. Wash the plate until it sparkles. Pretend you ain’t hungry. And starve. Murica!


jwb 09-08-2019 05:13 PM

You ever try bumping podcasts or audiobooks at work?

Helps me through the day.

jwb 09-08-2019 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077124)
Can't really need to hear customers and the intercom

put it in one ear

Walmart let me do that much. I think the dollar tree customers will be OK. Just act like it's a work related ear piece.

jwb 09-08-2019 06:59 PM


The Batlord 09-08-2019 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2077141)
these church folk put these pamphlets in my store's books every Sunday like ninjas

I'm tired of picking them up off the floor

the guy they're getting then from has his email on the bottom of the page

what do I email him

Tell him you throw away all his pamphlets when he leaves.

Frownland 09-08-2019 08:45 PM

Lay out all of the pamphlets on your mattress, then lay on it naked and send it to him. Send me a copy too. Do it flaccid obviously, wouldn't want to make it weird.

The Batlord 09-08-2019 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2077154)
Lay out all of the pamphlets on your mattress, then lay on it naked and send it to him. Send me a copy too. Do it flaccid obviously, wouldn't want to make it weird.

I don't think he has the guy's address or enough money to mail a mattress.

Lucem Ferre 09-08-2019 10:07 PM

Man, Saturday went from awesome to **** once I sobered up and went to my friends to find out that I still can't spend my goddam money on this stupid card. Should be good tomorrow, but they also said it'd be ready in 3 days last Saturday.

The Batlord 09-08-2019 10:18 PM

I wish it were tax season so I could put it in your head that you're being audited.

Lucem Ferre 09-08-2019 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2077192)
I wish it were tax season so I could put it in your head that you're being audited.

Wouldn't work regardless.

The Batlord 09-08-2019 10:29 PM

Just like your card.

Mondo Bungle 09-08-2019 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raime (Post 2077043)
I mean, we all gonna die one day.

we'll see about that

OccultHawk 09-09-2019 10:07 AM

I’m trying very hard not to waste my time and energy before work worrying about having to go to work. It’s very important to me to keep my emotions in check.

The Batlord 09-09-2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2077227)
I’m not trying very hard not to waste my time and energy before work worrying about having to go to work. It’s very important to me to keep my emotions in check.

wut

The Batlord 09-09-2019 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2077232)
I had to read out loud in class too which had me feeling like I wasnt reading good enough.

*well


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