Yup. We cancelled Dave Chappelle and now he can't even get an open mic spot.

Didn't say that you did....

Poor Dave, cancelled by a Pitchfork-wielding Twitter mob and now he's hiding in a dirty alley trying to find two nickels to rub together just to keep warm.

I just said you were haters.. nice strawman though I'm sure it's very fulfilling to defeat arguments that you invent for me lol

Good rock band

More like I'm taking a detour to mock you in general.

More like your mom's pussy smells

It smells delicious actually.

Thought you didn't care for salt and vinegar

Like fried catfish.

Australian Comedian Hannah Gadsby Slams Ted Sarandos After Being Referenced in Dave Chappelle Memo

Hannah Gadsby kills it. <3

Anyone actually find her funny at all?

I haven't seen Chapelle's special and don't know what he says, but I do find many aspects of cancel culture to be dumb. Do we have to agree on everything in order to accept and tolerate that someone else has a place in society / entertainment / whatever?

Taken to extremes, in the US, you could have comedians for democrats and other comedians for republicans. You could read different books, watch different channels, consume different news sources and entirely different narratives about the world. It removes common ground, segregates people and ups conflict.

It undermines democracy which was built on the idea that we should voice opinions, debate them and place our votes. Differing opinions should come into contact inside our brains and the best ones win. A good thing about that is it makes it possible for people to change their mind. Cancel culture is more like cultural war and you stick to your side/echo chambers where bad opinions can fester unchallenged. If you think your opinions are right, you ironically lose the ability to influence your opponents. You know more about alt right and q-anon than I do, I'm sure. Cancel culture is a small part of the environment that allows stuff like that to blossom.

Increased cancel culture is also one of the consequences of people getting radicalised by social media echo chambers and algorithms feeding us content.

Sometimes cancellation is appropriate, but I don't think the line should be drawn at legal expression of opinions you don't agree with. Cancel Varg Vikernes, R. Kelly, Harvey Weinstein - you know, people who would rape or murder.

Point is even if Chappelle is a shell of his former self, even in this state he's still funnier than Hannah Gadsby.

And prolly funnier than most women comics if we are being real about it ...

Alright this is vapid as ****.

1. What do you think cancel culture is? Cause it sounds like your main interaction with it is the news.

2. The market of ideas is a nice, grandiose concept but it doesn't reflect reality and never did. Most people never change their ideas about anything and when they do it's not because of a free exchange of ideas by men with powdered wigs. Progress and change mostly comes through violence. Democracy is just how more people enforce their will on fewer people.

I figure it's you who probably lack perspective, Bats. I think it's pretty much limited to a narrow slice of the going-ons in the US.

If the European perspective is that the cream rises to the top if we all just talk it out like adults then no wonder you people can't keep Nazis out of your parliaments. The social media echo chambers certainly suck but they are a symptom of polarization, not a root cause and blaming radicalization on itself is a typical liberal viewpoint that ignores material analysis.

If there weren't material conditions that were leading people to look for answers why their life and the world sucks so much then Twitter, Youtube, Fox News, talk radio, etc wouldn't have an audience to wind up. But with every financial crisis the elite class consolidate more and more capital and the market share for everyone else shrinks and shrinks and people get more and more desperate for any analytical lens that makes sense to them.

Worrying about cancel culture and echo chambers as villains isolated from any deeper, more holistic analysis is just simping for the status quo, and blathering on about the free exchange of ideas is ignoring how and why these radical ideas develop in the first place. They develop because people's needs aren't being met and they are angry and emotional, and they often come to their conclusions via anger and emotion with help from somebody who knows how to direct their anger and emotions. It's a marketplace of ideas in the same sense as any marketplace functions on cold reason and logic (hint: they don't).

That's precious coming from a member of the democracy that elected the openly racist Trump as their president who campaigned building the wall.

Did you see it coming or were you too deep in your own echo chambers to see what was happening?

Where's the free market of ideas? All you seem to be doing is reacting emotionally to insults hoping to dunk on me and ignoring the actual meat of my posts. It's almost like all your highfalutin talk about free exchange of ideas doesn't even apply to you, the quintessential free exchanger of ideas, and what actually rules debate is emotional manipulation (I.e. I am ruling you by making you petty rather than logical)

You know, while you guys are arguing about which side of the pond is more polarizing, did it occur to you that maybe The Europeans and Americans are just as polarized with each other?

Aren't you kind of defeating your own arguments by judging Trump for being "openly racist" while criticizing cancel culture when it comes to LGTBQ issues?

If Chapelle shouldn't be cancelled, then neither should Trump.

I keep repeating the same argument ad nauseam but it serves its purpose, this whole thing wouldn't even be debated if the topic was racism and not trans/queerphobia. Are any openly racist comics being given the largest platform on the planet to air their antiquated views under the guise of "free speech" and "diversity of opinion"? And what's the reason why LGBTQphobia is not treated in the same way that racism is treated?

And also, did it occur to them that most of us don't particularly care to watch their little ****fight?

I don't think he's arguing that point, I think he's just arguing against a nebulous concept of cancel culture he doesn't really understand because he's concerned with free speech or something.

Right, but then it seemed to me he wouldn't really mind if the likes of Trump were "cancelled". I could be jumping the gun there though.

I certainly can't agree with the concept that everyone, barring murderers or rapists, should be allowed to express their opinion on one of the largest stages in the world. There will always be people will prejudice, I'd just rather they'd shut the fuck up and keep it to themselves and not blare their shitty opinions to the whole world, a lot of which is dumb and impressionable.

Saying that Chapelle and Trump have equal reasons to be cancelled is unfair. Chapelle never locked immigrants in cages. I'm not necessarily saying Chapelle's transphobia is harmless (I hardly know anything about him and the extent of his influence) but it's clearly of a different order

I think he said that's his last special anyways so what is there left to cancel?

i dunno about that... I think the way these online platforms function naturally leads itself to echo chambers regardless of the material conditions or even the type of content being consumed

It's not even just politics. Like if i go to YouTube for music all their algorithm does is feed me back the same artists and songs it already knows i like.

As for Europe, don't many of those countries actually have stricter speech laws than us? Doesn't seem to be stopping Nazis from gaining influence there so that seems like a rather empty talking point... If anything you can just say neither approach has worked at actually combatting polarization and radical ideas.

Cancel culture in the form of widespread critique sounds closer to a free exchange of ideas than avoiding criticism because it's not as convincing as agreeing with prejudice.

You think a free exchange of ideas is a good thing or are you saying cancel culture is **** as well?

I'm saying that bogeyman cancel culture is closer to free exchange of ideas than taking measures to avoid it.

I got that part my question is does that make it a good thing...

Cause batlord was suggesting that a free exchange of ideas is actually a bad recipe for the best ideas winning out... And these days that's looking pretty hard to dispute tbh

What do you think? Is good or is bad?

I don't know what's why i asked the question

Speaking in terms of ideals it sounds good i guess

But in terms of actual results i hardly see what good its doing. Are we better off for the recent Chappelle controversy? Did either side learn anything or is there just money being made in every direction leeching off the crumbs of content left behind...

You are an absolutely stupid bitch. My whole point was that the most important issue was material concerns but I guess saying that would look weird next to a bag of Doritos you white trash box maker.

You say this spending all your time defending some comic who will be forgotten in a few decades. Stop being such a stupid whiny bitch just cause the only men you can find validation from are comedians.

Damn you sound salty af lol

Yeah you did the vague "material conditions" talking point good work comrade but you also casted some aspersions on the idea that "the cream will rise to the top if we just talk it out." I was agreeing with your skepticism there pal not really sure where your recent outburst is coming from :o:

I'm quite drunk and casting aspersions on your ability to pleasure persons other than yourself is just what I must do.

lol

Apparently I've touched a nerve somehow.. I'm sure i don't know how though. I don't know why you can't handle the fact that you haven't changed my mind about Chappelle. You just follow me around any time i mention his name and try to harass me into denouncing him. But yeah i really should stop being such a whiny little bitch lol

charming.