Framing edgy comedy (not that Chapelle is as edgy as he's attempting to be) as social commentary and as something not worth criticizing due to its permanence might as well be advocacy. Sophist intention won't undo that.

I didn't stick up for him or his 'takes' i just pointed out that you guys with your anti edgelord take-comedians-to-task following are probably just egging him on to do it more...

I saw someone refer to him as Joe Rohan’s one black friend

Agreed, being a spiteful baby is the crux of all great comedy.

Yeah, he should've apologized for the jokes and swore to do better next time... I'm sure that would create a buzz... :rolleyes:

Good point. I guess presentist trend-chasing is the true crux.

It is the crux of money/fame/status.....

That's no different from nannette or any of the leftist tryhard comedy where people try to make the most enlightened takes sound funny... Which they just don't imo. Where as Dave just takes everyman ignorance and tries to make that sound funny and imo does a better job

The wealthy always be crackin the best zingers.

Definitely, it's very similar to tryhard comedy that only appeals to people who are desperate to be agreed with because that's exactly what it is.

Maybe for some but i don't find it funny cause i agree with it...i just liked his special and you didn't. I can say you only dislike it for political reasons and you can say i only like it for political reasons. Bottom line is though i been a fan since long before any of this political **** and the modern dave chappelle really isn't much different from the old Chappelle show Dave

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you are great at responding to **** i never said lol you do it almost every post

I wouldn't expect you to consciously recognize it fwiw. Laughter is at its core emotionally driven and can blind us to why we're laughing at times. I don't find his trans jokes funny because I heard them before and even outside of it being based in ignorance, that's just lazy. Maybe he can perform the chicken crossing the road bit in a way that'd slay you, but at that point you just seem to just like his voice and he'd be better off making silly noises lol

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lol making funny noises like maybe doing a Chinese face and voice??? Good point frownland that's what he should be doing :bonkhead:

You can claim to know better than i do why I'm laughing but thats just like.. your opinion man. And even though you prance around like some sort of balding professor you ain't demonstrated **** homie.



What i said did not imply what you said. That's the problem frowny.

Hey don't knock it till you try it or have a part of you criticized that you're unwilling to confront.

I'm more asking you to either be more honest about why you find it funny or to try to take us to the place where we can appreciate it too instead of circularly saying that you think it's funny because you think Chapelle's funny. Well, I'm not really asking you because you'll predictably backpedal and try to shift the conversation into irrelevancy, but I'm in the mood for some masdebation today and couldn't help myself.

Duh. Your statements imply your meaning, not my statements. :bonkhead:

I get your larger point about it being a marketing tactic and have made it on this forum many times myself. Why play into that exploitation device though?

what?

I'll admit I'm high and drunk but i re read this and what you were responding to several times and i don't know wtf you're saying

Don't knock what till i try it?



be more honest how exactly? What would that look like? "I found it funny cause i hate trannies"? Again you are assuming to know why i found it funny which... I think i did say in my previous post and in posts before that that the funniest part about the trans joke on there was the Chinese face he made... And the trans joke wasn't even close to the funniest part of the special, which is what i actually praised in the first place.

It seems like you're basically implying with this post that either i should be able to convince you to find it funny too or else I'm lying about why i find it funny... But I'm sure I'm mistaken.




my statement didn't imply that wealthy people are funny or whatever the **** you said is my point

And the reason i brought up the money/success angle goes backs to what i was saying about the outrage mob fueling his resurgence.

Silly voice Chapelle.

Just own it instead of toeing the line before backpedaling.

More that the two sides of the convo aren't comparable because I've explained why it is that I don't find it funny while you're saying that you find it funny without going into how that's separate from your illiberal politics.

Maybe. It seems more likely than people liking him for his stale jokes.

Why are you trying to mitigate what's driving the success of a comedian you like?

oh i see.. apparently you missed my point which is that the trans joke in question was pretty much exactly that. A funny voice and face impression of a Chinese guy. That was the literal punchline of the joke bud.


what is it you would like me to own?



lol get real all you said is it's lazy and you heard it before etc. Very generic and dismissive appraisal tbh.. not at all insightful or convincing.

Where as i said i found the Chinese face funny... Sorry i don't have a "reason" it's just funny.


I'm not trying to mitigate it. I'm just identifying it for the sake of conversation. I don't put any effort into either helping or harming Dave Chappelle lol. My efforts here are entirely self serving. Dummy.

You should've said that instead of trying to frame Chapelle as a transgressive genius when the sticks and stones special came out then lol.

Yourself.

Generic like gravity.

You don't need one and I doubt you'd want to find it. If you're gonna enter the convo though, avoiding self-reflection in response to counterargument just means that you want to jack off in front of everyone.

Intension is irrelevant.

um like i said i hyped him up more than i should but yeah i still like the special, the trans joke wasnt the best part of the special, but if you ask why i laughed at that joke it was the face and I'm pretty sure i did say that to you when this argument first came up way back when...

Again, we are only talking about one joke in an hour long special.


I'm not avoiding self reflection you just don't like my answers. You haven't given me **** to work with either, doc.



ok.....? Lol

You did hit that point while backpedaling to be fair.

"Sorry i don't have a 'reason' it's just funny."
-Joseph Wallace Banks

...to be fair in other words you went back to read and see i was right as usual.

Backpedaling what exactly? Tell me what you think i think is funny about the joke. Tell me what dave is even saying with the joke that i "agree" with.

You doing all this interrogating go ahead and tell me the right answer and we can discuss that instead

Nah I mean you made the initial point that the joke itself was actually brilliant and everyone who didn't think so was just a sensitive bitch before distancing yourself from the transphobic roots that were pointed out to you pushing you directly into the "I just think he sounds funny!" stage. Backpedaling is a negative term.

You already did. He got a funny voice and the joke doesn't even matter. Wait till you see him jingle his keys!

To avoid the fact that you're building a farcical separation between your ideas and the things you like that are heavily rooted in similar ideas? Can't we play a different game?

no i didn't lol quote me


avoiding the question pal? You think there's some deeper reason i find it funny why won't you enlighten me



this is what I'm asking you .. which ideas?

You won't answer that for some reason. If you won't then how can i possibly comment on the connection between my taste in comedy and whatever ideas it is you're referencing.

And don't just go "reactionary blah blah blah" give me a specific idea not vague buzzwords

You said this before you mentioned the delivery

It appeals to the normative transphobia that you're accustomed to.

But you won't keep that from stopping you lol

Eh, I'll just use what I think communicates my ideas instead. If you have hangups caused by popular media usage of a word then just clarify that and I'll let you know if that's how I meant it or not.

.... You actually think that quote matches what you described me saying about the trans joke being brilliant and everyone who didn't get it are just sensitive bitches?

edit : ah, you added a second quote that also doesn't say anything close to what you described, lol






vague. Possibly true but vague and also... Not why it's funny lol. It could just be i accept the joke because I'm accustomed to transphobia where as you reject it specifically because you find it transphobic.. i am not bothered by the joke being somewhat transphobic but that doesn't mean it's funny simply cause it's transphobic


what?



i was asking you to be clear in which ideas you are ascribing to me. Since half the time you respond to **** you read into my posts that's not even there imo.

Yes.

So like, exactly what I said lmao

Right. The appeal of transphobia is a driving aspect alongside the funny voice. Two things true at the same time, wild innit.

You're just gonna scoff at the prospect of being psychoanalyzed after requesting it, but:

You hastily defend transphobia as not worth criticizing because you're close enough to that mindset that you might receive some of that criticism yourself. You recognize on some level that transphobia is becoming passe. Then you lead everyone through all this semantic bull**** where you deflect away from your original point propelling transphobia to something more innocuous while framing your inability to understand a point as evidence against it in order to make the idea you're rejecting seem nonsensical.

i didn't even reference the joke in question in either of the two posts you quoted. You are really reaching.



you seem to have problems reading... I said he made a funny face not voice and i didn't say the transphobia was part of the appeal of the joke either.

I just am not bothered by it like you are. I take it as relatively light hearted and benign.

uh yeah there's truth to that but it's more like i think it's become so trendy to make noise on these topics online that people overreact to pretty benign offenses.

But that's not WHY i found the joke funny... It might be why i have a knee jerk impulse to argue with people online about it though

wut?

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Damn... You really got me bruv

Looks like reiterating the point for the millionth time finally worked.

So we can move on then?

It makes no difference what musicbanterers think of bickering. Bickering endures. As well ask musicbanterers what they think of the Stones. Bickering was always here. Before musicbanter was, bickering waited for it.

Do you think there's any such thing as being transphobic, racist, sexist etc in a light hearted way?

Not in a way that separates it from the damaging impact of oppression. Approaching it "causally" reflects a wider, directly violent trend.

So then with jokes.. by definition there's no such thing as a funny racist/sexist/transphobic joke?

no

****ing comedy bros are just straight dude groupies.

And the other side are just typical haters.. trying to ruin other people's fun as a hobby...

But...what do musicbanterers think of the Stones?