The queer corner

~~jwb~~ · 12-14-2020, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by goldendoodle

I totally agree tbh imo.

goldendoodle · 12-14-2020, 11:39 PM

OK I know I said I would unload ALL my thoughts and theories today but seasonal depression decided that no, I will not. But @Bat as for Dolly, I'm no Dolly Parton historian either but for now I can at least link you to this entertaining thread on a lesbian gossip site about the Dolly rumors: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/l_an...51218-s10.html

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Idk how strong your video editing skills but you definitely have enough material on this subject for a dope video essay youtube channel.

If you say so! Like most people, I've planned countless video essays in my head while doing the dishes or showering, however I do not have ANY video editing skills beyond basic Windows Movie Maker stuff (mainly because I haven't edited any videos at all period in several years despite always going on and on about needing to make Gargoyles AMVs and neural net generated Hallmark christmas movies and so on etc)
Also I'm a bit lazy, or rather, I don't know if I could be bothered to make such a video look very polished and nice when I could instead simply use the equivalent of a sock puppet + bad goofy edits. I definitely would not want my face in it or anywhere on youtube unless I were in some elaborate costume (I don't know why I have these rules, I simply do).

Am I slightly afraid of Taylor Swift's beautiful publicist Tree Paine personally coming to my house and executing me as a result of said future video essay? Yes. Do I still want to attempt to make a stop-motion film in the style of Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story about closeted burgeoning country music stars including Taylor Swift until my roommates drag me out of my room/film set to put me in the psych ward? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Oh also, any thoughts about the uncanny gay energy of Carly Rae Jepsen's music? I have no idea about her as a person (the only things I know about her are the music and memery) but her music just nails the Gay Angst and Longing as if it's channelling some queer mystery source.

I have never paid attention to the lyrics of her songs despite liking her music a lot ("Store" is so underrated) but I definitely know what you mean. Weirdly I get pretty normal straight vibes from Carly as a person, and yet, there is indeed an undercurrent of Gay Angst and Longing in her music! And, in contrast.. random example, but, Selena Gomez (along with Miley and Demi) gives me strong lesbian/gay-leaning bisexual vibes yet her music is aggressively heterosexual to my ears. So, yeah. Huh.

**Marie Monday** · 12-15-2020, 01:08 AM

Oh yes, that's puzzling
The Dolly Parton thread makes me feel conflicted because on the one hand I have some ethical objections to it (re: discussion earlier in this thread etc.) but also it's just too fascinating. The idea of some kind of queer shadow realm behind the straight country/pop music facade is like gay catnip to me

Psy-Fi · 12-15-2020, 07:20 AM

Hungary Passes Laws Curtailing Gay Rights and Expanding Executive Power

Psy-Fi · 12-16-2020, 06:15 AM

LGBT-owned kilt maker denounces kilt-clad Proud Boys

adidasss · 12-18-2020, 06:23 PM

Just watching the third season of Star Trek Discovery, when and how did this show become one of the queerest on TV? Not only do they have at least 3 gay regulars, they just casually introduced a non-binary person as a regular as well. Way to go Star Trek!

BassoonPlatoon · 12-23-2020, 01:10 PM

I mean Star Trek had some really terrible nonsense early on, so they had to make up for that later.

goldendoodle · 12-27-2020, 01:39 AM

Some more Taylor Swift thoughts (forgive me, I'm cranky and tired today so I won't be editing this much or trying to be coherent) -

Straight swifties (not casual fans, but Swifties) are so irritating. Any time someone gently suggests that perhaps she may be bisexual, and/or that some of her lyrics sound like they could perhaps theoretically be alluding to the closeted gay/bisexual experience (due to personally relating to it, or whatever -- Taylor Swift used to encourage her fans to analyze her lyrcis after all and claimed her songs were like diary entries-- and straight swifties are always AGHAST. "Ummmm," they say, "it's kinda uncool and gross to speculate about taylor's sexuality... That song is about her bf Joe." But like. They are constantly speculating about the intimate details of their domestic life, and, when she is single (or doesn't have a beard), they are speculating about her love life, who she could be dating or who she should date, and so on. So I don't really see what's wrong with us merely observing certain things about her lyrical themes and actions and noting that some of her actions (in terms of PR stuff/staged paparazzi shots of her and her boyfriends) bring to mind those of previously (or rumored to be) closeted celebrities of yore. Obviously the people who, like, track her planes and stuff are weird and creepy but the majority of Gaylor truthers are not like that.

There's this one (lesbian) music writer for Vulture who has always loudly speculated about gay themes in Taylor's music, both on Vulture and on Twitter. Joking about Taylor's #nohomo comments (which often followed things like releasing a song called "Me" on lesbian visibility day... and also circulating an official promo image that said "Me: Out now" on that SAME DAY, LESBIAN VISIBILITY DAY... and then in a couple videos, cramming in as much stereotypically gay imagery as she could and so on and so forth) etc.
But then just a couple weeks ago I noticed that her (the Vulture writer) twitter is now private/protected. So I wonder if Taylor's team has been trying to subdue all the speculation.

And then the other day there was that ""leaked"" photo.... Of her and her "boyfriend" Joe shirtless in a bathroom, seemingly getting ready to go somewhere (but not, like, posing in an intimate way or anything) and so many people are like "Welp! She's straight/he's not a beard after all!" but I remain unconvinced. They could be close friends, first of all. Or, again, she could be bisexual, but that's not my point. As I've said, Taylor is clearly a neurotic control freak and an extremely good businesswoman; this is evident in many of her past interviews where she talks about more in-depth stuff regarding her whole brand. So, back to the "leaked" photo--- allegedly, fans who attended one of her past "secret sessions" reported describing basically that same photo being "accidentally" shown to them (like scrolled past by Taylor or something) on her laptop. Taylor is very strategic and I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate a "leaked" photo to squash any lingering gay rumors. Especially if she is in fact deeply closeted and freaks out over the mere idea of being publicly known as bisexual. (You'd think she do what some other celebrities do and just call herself ""fluid"" and say she ""doesn't feel the need for labels"")

And again. There's other things. I don't know why this bugs me; I think if straight swifties weren't so aggressively homophobic I wouldn't get riled up about this so often (which then makes me start to mentally speculate again). As i said, I am convinced she is gay or bi largely just due to her whole vibe + video footage of her interacting with men versus women. The complete and utter lack of chemistry (and her body language and eye contact with them) she has with pretty much all men versus her chemistry/body language/eye contact and just ~vibe when around women. Again, this is just based on video footage of course, as well as my own intuition. But like the eye contact thing... Straight women do not look at other women in the same way bi/gay women do. I mean, obviously. But I'm not talking about ogling. I mean simply the way they look at other women. The eye contact is just different and more intense when a bi/gay woman is looking at another woman versus a straight woman looking at another woman (strangers I mean). And Taylor has just always (IMO) positively oozed gay vibes, even in interviews from her very early days.

..So, considering all of the above, and all the public speculation about her sexuality/some lesbians on the internet publicly noting that she seems a bit gay (despite her best efforts), it's unsurprising that she is now suddenly talking about her bf Joe way, way more than she ever did in the past. Her newest album features lyrics such as "...that's my man" (barf) but then there's like at least two songs which are so obviously about her semi public falling out with Karlie Kloss. (One is "Gold Rush" and the other is one of the deluxe album tracks in which she says some very specific things which can't really be interpreted to be about anyone but Karlie, based on what people in Taylor's close friend group have verified via Tweet likes in the past and such. Basically, allegedly, Karlie revealed personal details about Taylor's Life to her manager Scooter Braun. And also, potentially, told him that her masters were up for sale before anyone else knew. Two of Taylor's close friends liked tweets stating this. And Karlie has revealed herself to be a vapid social climber in recent years so it's unsurprising. I think Taylor and Karlie had an extremely close, extremely homoerotic friendship-- possibly an affair-- which would explain why sooo many songs of hers seem to allude to Karlie, even now, years after the falling out. CLEARLY Karlie strung her along or did something to break her heart, probably the same sort of stuff many bi and lesbian women have experienced from straight-but-bicurious or closeted girls in our youth. It's so obvious. This is long enough so I won't dig up specific lyrics right now or post gifs displaying the INSANE amount of chemistry that radiated off of Taylor and Karlie back when they went everywhere together. But it was obvious. (Especially when you to compare those photos/videos/gifs with ones of her out and about with past "boyfriends"....)

at 0:28 Chely Wright begins to describe a "big machine" of hiding (in the music industry/forced closeting)... which, again, is also the name of Taylor's old music label. Coincidentally.

**Marie Monday** · 12-27-2020, 03:54 AM

Hell yes I went on a binge of those vulture articles a few days ago, they're really addictive. You make a good point: the excessive amount of gay shipping/speculation among lgbt fans is a reaction against the aggressive 'straightening' of celebrities and culture. Some of the gay theorising is certainly aggressive too (or outright insane) but most of what I've seen is pretty gentle and harmless, and it's important to acknowledge where it comes from.

~~jwb~~ · 12-27-2020, 06:30 AM

I don't follow Taylor Swift at all so I'm just guessing here but I would not be surprised if she likes all this speculation or at least the publicity behind it.

It reminds me of when Twilight came out and there were rumors the two stars were dating and they refused to comment on it. They know the speculation only helps them and generates free publicity.

12-18-2020, 06:23 PM	#866 (permalink)
adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,993	Just watching the third season of Star Trek Discovery, when and how did this show become one of the queerest on TV? Not only do they have at least 3 gay regulars, they just casually introduced a non-binary person as a regular as well. Way to go Star Trek! __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm

12-27-2020, 01:39 AM	#868 (permalink)
goldendoodle god's favorite clown Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 139	Some more Taylor Swift thoughts (forgive me, I'm cranky and tired today so I won't be editing this much or trying to be coherent) - Straight swifties (not casual fans, but Swifties) are so irritating. Any time someone gently suggests that perhaps she may be bisexual, and/or that some of her lyrics sound like they could perhaps theoretically be alluding to the closeted gay/bisexual experience (due to personally relating to it, or whatever -- Taylor Swift used to encourage her fans to analyze her lyrcis after all and claimed her songs were like diary entries-- and straight swifties are always AGHAST. "Ummmm," they say, "it's kinda uncool and gross to speculate about taylor's sexuality... That song is about her bf Joe." But like. They are constantly speculating about the intimate details of their domestic life, and, when she is single (or doesn't have a beard), they are speculating about her love life, who she could be dating or who she should date, and so on. So I don't really see what's wrong with us merely observing certain things about her lyrical themes and actions and noting that some of her actions (in terms of PR stuff/staged paparazzi shots of her and her boyfriends) bring to mind those of previously (or rumored to be) closeted celebrities of yore. Obviously the people who, like, track her planes and stuff are weird and creepy but the majority of Gaylor truthers are not like that. There's this one (lesbian) music writer for Vulture who has always loudly speculated about gay themes in Taylor's music, both on Vulture and on Twitter. Joking about Taylor's #nohomo comments (which often followed things like releasing a song called "Me" on lesbian visibility day... and also circulating an official promo image that said "Me: Out now" on that SAME DAY, LESBIAN VISIBILITY DAY... and then in a couple videos, cramming in as much stereotypically gay imagery as she could and so on and so forth) etc. But then just a couple weeks ago I noticed that her (the Vulture writer) twitter is now private/protected. So I wonder if Taylor's team has been trying to subdue all the speculation. And then the other day there was that ""leaked"" photo.... Of her and her "boyfriend" Joe shirtless in a bathroom, seemingly getting ready to go somewhere (but not, like, posing in an intimate way or anything) and so many people are like "Welp! She's straight/he's not a beard after all!" but I remain unconvinced. They could be close friends, first of all. Or, again, she could be bisexual, but that's not my point. As I've said, Taylor is clearly a neurotic control freak and an extremely good businesswoman; this is evident in many of her past interviews where she talks about more in-depth stuff regarding her whole brand. So, back to the "leaked" photo--- allegedly, fans who attended one of her past "secret sessions" reported describing basically that same photo being "accidentally" shown to them (like scrolled past by Taylor or something) on her laptop. Taylor is very strategic and I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate a "leaked" photo to squash any lingering gay rumors. Especially if she is in fact deeply closeted and freaks out over the mere idea of being publicly known as bisexual. (You'd think she do what some other celebrities do and just call herself ""fluid"" and say she ""doesn't feel the need for labels"") And again. There's other things. I don't know why this bugs me; I think if straight swifties weren't so aggressively homophobic I wouldn't get riled up about this so often (which then makes me start to mentally speculate again). As i said, I am convinced she is gay or bi largely just due to her whole vibe + video footage of her interacting with men versus women. The complete and utter lack of chemistry (and her body language and eye contact with them) she has with pretty much all men versus her chemistry/body language/eye contact and just ~vibe when around women. Again, this is just based on video footage of course, as well as my own intuition. But like the eye contact thing... Straight women do not look at other women in the same way bi/gay women do. I mean, obviously. But I'm not talking about ogling. I mean simply the way they look at other women. The eye contact is just different and more intense when a bi/gay woman is looking at another woman versus a straight woman looking at another woman (strangers I mean). And Taylor has just always (IMO) positively oozed gay vibes, even in interviews from her very early days. ..So, considering all of the above, and all the public speculation about her sexuality/some lesbians on the internet publicly noting that she seems a bit gay (despite her best efforts), it's unsurprising that she is now suddenly talking about her bf Joe way, way more than she ever did in the past. Her newest album features lyrics such as "...that's my man" (barf) but then there's like at least two songs which are so obviously about her semi public falling out with Karlie Kloss. (One is "Gold Rush" and the other is one of the deluxe album tracks in which she says some very specific things which can't really be interpreted to be about anyone but Karlie, based on what people in Taylor's close friend group have verified via Tweet likes in the past and such. Basically, allegedly, Karlie revealed personal details about Taylor's Life to her manager Scooter Braun. And also, potentially, told him that her masters were up for sale before anyone else knew. Two of Taylor's close friends liked tweets stating this. And Karlie has revealed herself to be a vapid social climber in recent years so it's unsurprising. I think Taylor and Karlie had an extremely close, extremely homoerotic friendship-- possibly an affair-- which would explain why sooo many songs of hers seem to allude to Karlie, even now, years after the falling out. CLEARLY Karlie strung her along or did something to break her heart, probably the same sort of stuff many bi and lesbian women have experienced from straight-but-bicurious or closeted girls in our youth. It's so obvious. This is long enough so I won't dig up specific lyrics right now or post gifs displaying the INSANE amount of chemistry that radiated off of Taylor and Karlie back when they went everywhere together. But it was obvious. (Especially when you to compare those photos/videos/gifs with ones of her out and about with past "boyfriends"....) at 0:28 Chely Wright begins to describe a "big machine" of hiding (in the music industry/forced closeting)... which, again, is also the name of Taylor's old music label. Coincidentally. __________________ formerly Chiomara

12-27-2020, 06:30 AM	#870 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't follow Taylor Swift at all so I'm just guessing here but I would not be surprised if she likes all this speculation or at least the publicity behind it. It reminds me of when Twilight came out and there were rumors the two stars were dating and they refused to comment on it. They know the speculation only helps them and generates free publicity.