Ayn Marx

Indeed, but if you get the horse drunk enough they can pretend they didn’t know what they were doing.

Ayn Marx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-g...es_in_ChechnyaIt can easily become the end of your world if you get sprung in a fundamentalist muslim country, or Russia or China and many parts of Africa.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...orst-countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-g...es_in_Chechnya

Ayn Marx

On the other hand - - - -

https://historycollection.com/these-...homosexuality/


All the Periods in History When Homosexuality Was Celebrated & Embraced” David Sharp, Ranker. n.d.

“If you say being gay is not African, you don’t know your history” Bisi Alimi, The Guardian. September 2015.

“The idea that African homosexuality was a colonial import is a myth” Bernardine Evaristo, The Guardian. March 2014.

“Homosexuality in ancient Rome” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. November 2018.

“Women’s Legal Rights in Ancient Egypt” Janet H. Johnson, Fathom Archive. 2002.

“Ancient Egyptian Sexuality: Life in Ancient Egypt” Caroline Seawright, Tour Egypt. August 2013.

“China’s Misunderstood History of Gay Tolerance” Yuxin Zhang, The Diplomat. June 2015.

“Homosexuality in Japan” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. November 2018.

“LGBT history in Uganda” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. June 2018.

“Mwanga II of Buganda” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. March 2018.

“Zande” Eva Gillies, UCLA. n.d.

“Imbangala” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. January 2018.

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The Batlord

I believe homosexuality was derided by many as Greek degeneracy infiltrating Roman society. I don't know how it was perceived throughout all 1000 years of the Republic and Empire but Rome was at least more conservative and prudish than it gets credit for.

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jwb

This video says Romans only thought it was gay to bottom lol. The whole country was running on prison rules.

Ayn Marx

One of the mysteries of the male heterosexual so called mind is how, given the right circumstances, they can efficiently produce an erection at the sight of another male’s rear.
Another mystery is how this branch of our species are so frequently ignorant of the erotic potential of their own prostate glands.
Add to this the rigidly repressed history of male/male sexuality during wartime and we have more contradictions than drag queens often taking an active role.

We are indeed a very strange species.

Guybrush

I realize you may not actually think it's a mystery and it's just interesting writing/hyperbole, but I've anyways opted to take your statement at face value and reply accordingly.

So to me, what you describe about enticing same-sex rears is not a mystery. We're social mammals and there's nothing in our biology that says males shouldn't have sex with other males, like homosexuality in so many other social mammals (like the famous giraffes where most of a male's sexual encounters are homosexual in nature). From a biology point of view, it seems reasonable to think that sexual relations between men would be promoted in many situations because it could strengthen bonds, promote cooperation (our specialty) and generally help satisfy various needs. I actually get the impression that males are more likely to be sexually compatible with other males (in terms of wants/desires, etc) than with women. As you point out, there's even a prostate gland that enjoys attention. In my opinion - in the absence of any culture/conditioning that says otherwise, the thought or act of homosexual activity should be expected to, by far, potentially turn most men on.

Heterosexuality is just a human concept. It's not written in our DNA and when fantasy meets reality, parts of fantasy can melt away. Our sexuality, if you look at sexuality under intense scrutiny, doesn't actually fit into these neat categories. Generally speaking for heterosexuals, there are potential situations where they'd enjoy homosexual activities or possibly even romantic relationships with other same-sex individuals. Maybe, if society was different, they would.

If I'm to use society's general descriptors for myself, then I am a heterosexual man. I've never been in love with another man and 99% of my fantasies are about women. However, there are a very few men I've found attractive and I assume part of those 99% can be explained by society's conditioning. I have actually had a couple of homosexual encounters that were enjoyable for me. If I was free to do so, I wouldn't mind exploring that more with the right partner.

I don't think that's the norm, so what might set me apart from perhaps most other heterosexual guys is I think of sexuality as very rough descriptors and don't internalize it into my own identity. I am not homophobic, am fairly liberal and want to have enjoyable experiences. So I don't think I'm different in a fundamental way from most heterosexual guys, I just have a different way of thinking about it.

What I think is most mysterious or interesting is why we create memes (as in moral codes, religious commands, beliefs) that control various aspects of our lives in seemingly detrimental ways, especially when it comes to sexuality. I have some inklings and one is that things that control our most basic urges seem powerful and feel important to us, like celibacy or perhaps fasting. These memes compete against other memes (gay is wrong / gay is okay are general competing memes), but for some reason the bad ones sometimes get ahead in competition with more tolerant ideas. I find that to be a very fascinating topic in general.

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Ayn Marx

Well put but the question remains why so many males are not only homophobic but actually terrified by the mere idea. I have one theory and it’s a wild jump. Men I’ve known more often than not regard the female of our species as inferior. Therefore to even contemplate something like taking the so called passive role in male/male sex is to ‘lower’ yourself to the level of a chic/sheila/bird/. I’m only guessing here.
Not that I’ve found it a problem over the decades having found more than enough males willing to dance the bedroom tango.
I even had a relationship for two years with another man and two women. Hard to explain other than suggesting our bedroom tango was an ‘eight way’. Think about it.

Guybrush

It's complex for sure and so sad that we create all these mind prisons for ourselves. Misogyny could play a part, I'm sure.

I hope you'll pardon such a personal question, but have you had many sexual encounters with men who consider themselves heterosexual?

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Ayn Marx

More often than not I’ve avoided them. Especially when I knew the ‘I was too drunk to know what I was doing’ game was about to be indulged in. Maybe my experience however was soured at an early age by a man who played the active role with me only to exclaim after the act “Now I must get me a real woman” Told him to f*ck off in no uncertain terms.

I have a very vivid memory decades after the event of a man I hitched a ride home with. I had no intention of seducing him but somehow I ended up being his first male/male encounter. Not before or since have I experienced so an intense an episode. I’ll spare you the details but simply put somehow every part of our anatomy became as sensitive as the usual focus of male erotic experience. He returned interstate in the morning with me thinking I’d never see him again. Turned up at my door some years later with his fiancé suggesting a three way encounter. Now that’s one man I’d never want to share (unusual for me) so as kindly as I could I sent them away. SIGH ! WILT! SWOON !

One fairly consistent aspect of straight men’s behavior is if you actually get them into bed they more often than not will be the one who ‘bites the pillow’. An experience I had with four AFL footballers (VFL in those days). And no, don’t ask for names.
For those of you not familiar with Australian Rules football AFL stands for Australian Football League & VFL for Victorian Football League.

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