The Unfan

Get some hearing aids.

boo boo

Yeah.

See that's the thing, good art is subjective.

To call Dream Theater untalented means you have to view talent as being completely subjective. And me personally, I think there's certain kinds of talent that can be objectified.

I don't know if hatching out a melody that some people will just happen to like makes you talented. Because I could start the most crappy avant garde band you've ever seen, right now, and all I do is fart through a talk box for 50 minutes and I could gain a following. Pitchfork would give me rave reviews and call me the next Glenn Branca.

Musicians work really hard to work their way up to the kind of skill level that Petruccii, Portnoy, Myung and Rudess have. They spent many years of practice to be as good as they are and I don't think any musician does that just for money or to impress people, it takes a lot of time, effort, care, devotion and understanding of music. And thus no matter how much I hate Dream Theater's music (I hate it very much), they worked damn hard to get where they are, and if they enjoy what they do and take pride in it, and it touches people in the same way music touches the rest of us, then that's all that really matters.

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Mirrorball95

I get what your saying but a lot of the avant garde artists are really talented technically and in the sense that they have amazing ideas and levels of creativity. So I dont think 'farting through a talk box' will actually get you anywhere & Ive heard some weird stuff.

If you want some weird stuff ???? you should check out a band called King Missile (they have several incarnations I, II & III) - all of which are, let me put it, different.

Avant Garde & Jazz is probably the two most exciting genres in music for me as you tend to find with Rock that its really predictable, like alot of the time when I hear a song for the first time I can predict the next lyric or part of the song (as Im listening to it) before I even hear it.

Thats probably why I got into metal in the first place- as I got bored of the more simpler forms of Rock.

As for Dream Theatre's music, I couldnt say I hated it as such, I just think its pretty crap (but cant deny there technical ability) & people who say there the best metal band are talking balls; but there entitled to their opinion at the end of the day; after all if these people didnt exist then there would be nothing to talk about.
Just think how boring it would be if everybody agreed on all aspects of music.

F*ck Sh1t bollocks, sorry I meant David Coverdale .
I know they dont really sound alike (Gillan + Coverdale) but for some reason I always get the names mixed up...(dont ask why).
Look im not knocking the guys talent, just Id rather listen to David Coverdale/Whitesnake than a rip off of the exact same thing...

As for the hearing aid, I've not reached that age yet, good luck to you if you have though (dont forget to turn it up) .

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Although it seems to have escaped you what you mentioned here is what the beauty of this type of music is. Anybody can do it & use it to put across any message they like. I seem to remember you being equally dismissive of folk music for more or less the same reason.

Talent takes many forms, For you technical proficiency on an instrument takes up a big part of it. For me on the other hand it takes up a bare minimum. That's not to say I don't appreciate it, it means I appreciate it in the context of whats being played. Meaning that if technical proficiency on an instrument it's not needed in playing a song I don't see the point in criticising it for not having it.

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Comus

At the end of the day, anyone can practice and practice and practice and be able to play anything they get the tabs for or whatever. But it takes true talent to write something good.

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Mirrorball95

Your totally right, I think you nail it with this comment. Its such a free genre & open to any new ideas that any artist may have & there are people out there like you & me who will actually revel in it and want to listen to it.
Like I said before Avant Garde along with Jazz are the two most exciting genres for me- I'm still rooted in Rock & still actively seek & listen to all the usual rock stuff (& the unusual stuff as well)....

Thats right, so initially you have to possess the talent to be able to play the instrument & compose music properly in the first place; and thats before we get to what kind of music it is, what its about, whether people say its **** or not. Just shows you how hard some musicians must work only to be put down at the end (some deservedly so though..).

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Seltzer

That's basically my philosophy.

I've come to realise I'll never have enough time to become really good at any instrument, especially when you consider that it can gobble up as much time as you can put into it. But I think I can still write music to satisfy myself.


You don't need to play an instrument to compose.

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Mirrorball95

True but you still need to know what your doing to a certain extent, also usually the two go hand in hand i.e. good compositions are usually a result of good understanding of an instrument or at least the music that emulates from it.

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Metal Thrashing Mad

Snap!

But yeah Dream theater are near the top of greatest bands ever in my view i mean some folk might think they are a bit dated and stuff but so **** em! it sounds friggin ace... the talent in that band is mind blowing and surely anyone who knows what good music is should surely be able to appreiate this

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Anteater

Dream Theater are talented, but mindblowingly so? Sorry pal, but I could name a dozen other progressive metal bands that wipe the floor with 'em on that particular attribute.

Seriously now, how about you and all the other ignorant douchebags who don't know jack about half the bands out there do yourselves a favor and go listen to groups like Maudlin of the Well, Pain of Salvation, Cynic, etc. before jumping on the "DT are so awesomez lulz" bandwagon, because it's groups like Dream Theater that ruin the images of bands out there who actually know what the fuck they're doing.

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