What albums would say are "essential progressive metal albums"

Howard the Duck · 06-18-2012, 06:30 AM

i think most have already been mentioned here

i'll go with Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime II

which I actually like better than its prequel

attested_psycho · 06-18-2012, 12:51 PM

I agree with most of the ones already mentioned, I'd personally add the following to the list:
Remedy lane by Pain of salvation
Tyranny by Shadow Gallery
The Human Equation by Ayreon (although it's a mix of lots of genres)

James Ihash · 06-18-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by supermarlin

I've never heard anyone call System progressive or technical......

I did:

Entertainment Weekly:
System of a Down Review | Music Reviews and News | EW.com

The Guardian:
CD: System of a Down, Hypnotize | Music | The Guardian

Sputnik Music:
System of a Down - Hypnotize (staff review) | Sputnikmusic

Rolling Stone:
100 Best Albums of the 2000s: System of a Down, 'Toxicity' | Rolling Stone

Entertainment Weekly again:
For New-Prog Hogs | EW.com

The Boston Phoenix:
Serj Tankian - CD Reviews

Someone's review on sputnik:
System of a Down - Mezmerize (album review) | Sputnikmusic

And last but not least:
Evi: Is system of a down progressive metal?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

SOAD isn't prog or technical. It's not really a case of subjectivity either tbh, it straight up isn't.
That album is very simple imo, as are all of their albums.

I totally understand you, and that's fine.
I don't think we are here to agree 100% with each other... And I really don't want to change the direction of the thread so, that's it for me...

Unknown Soldier · 06-18-2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supermarlin

I've never heard anyone call System progressive or technical......

SOD are actually very technical, just because they have a hardcore and nu-metal influences and put a lot of humour into their sound, doesn't make them any less technical, also you don't have to be progressive to be technical as Iron Maiden have proved time and time again.

phbalanced · 06-18-2012, 03:44 PM

I don't listen to that much progressive metal. But, I'll tell you In Absentia by Porcupine Tree is one of my favorite albums of all time. It's SO good. Also, Damnataion by Opeth is great.

But my jaw is dropping right now seeing that someone seriously posted La Dispute as progressive metal. Seriously? lol

phbalanced · 06-18-2012, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

SOAD isn't prog or technical. It's not really a case of subjectivity either tbh, it straight up isn't.

That album is very simple imo, as are all of their albums.

I'm not sure how it makes sense to say "not a case of subjectivity" and then say "imo". You can't have opinions without subjectivity.

Forward To Death · 06-18-2012, 04:13 PM

It isn't progressive, my opinion is that it's simplistic, two seperate statements. Stay with me now bud. SOAD definitely isn't prog at all. They have a lot of dynamics in every song, but that's the only element of prog they have. They've had it on every album, and it's still not prog. The drumming, guitar playing, and everything else is not intricate in the least. Tool, Porcupine Tree, Isis, Mastodon, all have both irregular time signatures/shifting dynamics as well as intricate playing.

This is the truth, no two ways about it.

James Ihash · 06-18-2012, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

It isn't progressive, my opinion is that it's simplistic, two seperate statements. Stay with me now bud. SOAD definitely isn't prog at all. They have a lot of dynamics in every song, but that's the only element of prog they have. They've had it on every album, and it's still not prog. The drumming, guitar playing, and everything else is not intricate in the least. Tool, Porcupine Tree, Isis, Mastodon, all have both irregular time signatures/shifting dynamics as well as intricate playing.

This is the truth, no two ways about it.

Alright, you have the truth, way to go, excuse me for disagreeing with such an enlightened mind...

Forward To Death · 06-19-2012, 03:43 AM

It doesn't take much to see the difference from shifting dynamics and intricate playing. If that's the case, a lot of hardcore/crossover/metalcore bands are progressive. I guess you could think that it's intricate, and subjectively be right about anything. However, this is like calling Godsmack grunge because they copy 90% of what they do from Alice In Chains. Actually, Godsmack is closer to grunge than SOAD is to prog.

James Ihash · 06-19-2012, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

It doesn't take much to see the difference from shifting dynamics and intricate playing. If that's the case, a lot of hardcore/crossover/metalcore bands are progressive. I guess you could think that it's intricate, and subjectively be right about anything. However, this is like calling Godsmack grunge because they copy 90% of what they do from Alice In Chains. Actually, Godsmack is closer to grunge than SOAD is to prog.

06-18-2012, 12:51 PM	#22 (permalink)
attested_psycho Groupie Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: La Belle Province Posts: 19	I agree with most of the ones already mentioned, I'd personally add the following to the list: Remedy lane by Pain of salvation Tyranny by Shadow Gallery The Human Equation by Ayreon (although it's a mix of lots of genres)

06-18-2012, 03:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
phbalanced Groupie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: california Posts: 3	I don't listen to that much progressive metal. But, I'll tell you In Absentia by Porcupine Tree is one of my favorite albums of all time. It's SO good. Also, Damnataion by Opeth is great. But my jaw is dropping right now seeing that someone seriously posted La Dispute as progressive metal. Seriously? lol

06-18-2012, 04:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	It isn't progressive, my opinion is that it's simplistic, two seperate statements. Stay with me now bud. SOAD definitely isn't prog at all. They have a lot of dynamics in every song, but that's the only element of prog they have. They've had it on every album, and it's still not prog. The drumming, guitar playing, and everything else is not intricate in the least. Tool, Porcupine Tree, Isis, Mastodon, all have both irregular time signatures/shifting dynamics as well as intricate playing. This is the truth, no two ways about it.

06-19-2012, 03:43 AM	#29 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	It doesn't take much to see the difference from shifting dynamics and intricate playing. If that's the case, a lot of hardcore/crossover/metalcore bands are progressive. I guess you could think that it's intricate, and subjectively be right about anything. However, this is like calling Godsmack grunge because they copy 90% of what they do from Alice In Chains. Actually, Godsmack is closer to grunge than SOAD is to prog.