What albums would say are "essential progressive metal albums"

Forward To Death · 06-18-2012, 03:27 AM

SOAD isn't prog or technical. It's not really a case of subjectivity either tbh, it straight up isn't.

That album is very simple imo, as are all of their albums.

James Ihash · 06-18-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by supermarlin

I've never heard anyone call System progressive or technical......

I did:

Entertainment Weekly:
System of a Down Review | Music Reviews and News | EW.com

The Guardian:
CD: System of a Down, Hypnotize | Music | The Guardian

Sputnik Music:
System of a Down - Hypnotize (staff review) | Sputnikmusic

Rolling Stone:
100 Best Albums of the 2000s: System of a Down, 'Toxicity' | Rolling Stone

Entertainment Weekly again:
For New-Prog Hogs | EW.com

The Boston Phoenix:
Serj Tankian - CD Reviews

Someone's review on sputnik:
System of a Down - Mezmerize (album review) | Sputnikmusic

And last but not least:
Evi: Is system of a down progressive metal?

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

SOAD isn't prog or technical. It's not really a case of subjectivity either tbh, it straight up isn't.
That album is very simple imo, as are all of their albums.

I totally understand you, and that's fine.
I don't think we are here to agree 100% with each other... And I really don't want to change the direction of the thread so, that's it for me...

phbalanced · 06-18-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

SOAD isn't prog or technical. It's not really a case of subjectivity either tbh, it straight up isn't.

That album is very simple imo, as are all of their albums.

I'm not sure how it makes sense to say "not a case of subjectivity" and then say "imo". You can't have opinions without subjectivity.

Howard the Duck · 06-18-2012, 06:30 AM

i think most have already been mentioned here

i'll go with Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime II

which I actually like better than its prequel

Musicwhore A-Z · 09-24-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck

i think most have already been mentioned here

i'll go with Queensryche's Operation Mindcrime II

which I actually like better than its prequel

Hi 'HTD', it's interesting that you like 'O:M II' better than 'Operation:Mindcrime'. I strongly disagree with you, but it would be interesting to know why you like it better? Just thought I'd ask.

However, I do like 'O:M II' but I don't consider this record a "sequel" at all. In my opinion, Queensryche just used that as a hook to increase sales, integrity be damned! On it's own merits, I give it three out of five stars. As a "sequel", I give it ZERO stars. I think they should've called the record 'Hostage' instead. That way it wouldn't be in the shadow of the REAL 'Operation:Mindcrime'.

While I don't consider Queensryche to be a "metal" band, I certainly understand why many would consider albums like 'Rage For Order' ( an album that was a LITTLE ahead of it's time ), the aforementioned 'Operation:Mindcrime', and I'd argue 1994's 'Promised Land', to be "essential prog metal albums". But I digress. I still prefer calling Queensryche progressive hard rock. The SONGS mattered more than the NOTES, truth be told. And rightfully so.

As far as other picks, someone earlier mentioned Crimson Glory's 'Transcendence' ( 1988 ). I wholeheartedly agree. Criminally overlooked by many in the hard rock world (

). Great thread and comments everybody (

).

Trollheart · 09-24-2014, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicwhore A-Z

Hi 'HTD', it's interesting that you like 'O:M II' better than 'Operation:Mindcrime'. I strongly disagree with you, but it would be interesting to know why you like it better? Just thought I'd ask.

However, I do like 'O:M II' but I don't consider this record a "sequel" at all. In my opinion, Queensryche just used that as a hook to increase sales, integrity be damned! On it's own merits, I give it three out of five stars. As a "sequel", I give it ZERO stars. I think they should've called the record 'Hostage' instead. That way it wouldn't be in the shadow of the REAL 'Operation:Mindcrime'.

While I don't consider Queensryche to be a "metal" band, I certainly understand why many would consider albums like 'Rage For Order' ( an album that was a LITTLE ahead of it's time ), the aforementioned 'Operation:Mindcrime', and I'd argue 1994's 'Promised Land', to be "essential prog metal albums". But I digress. I still prefer calling Queensryche progressive hard rock. The SONGS mattered more than the NOTES, truth be told. And rightfully so.

As far as other picks, someone earlier mentioned Crimson Glory's 'Transcendence' ( 1988 ). I wholeheartedly agree. Criminally overlooked by many in the hard rock world (

). Great thread and comments everybody (

).

Just to let you know, you resurrected a really old thread, and Howard passed away, so you won't get an answer. Don't think it's for any other reason, but he is no longer with us. You wouldn't have known of course, and it's unfortunate that you chose to respond to him, but just to give you a heads-up.

Musicwhore A-Z · 09-24-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Just to let you know, you resurrected a really old thread, and Howard passed away, so you won't get an answer. Don't think it's for any other reason, but he is no longer with us. You wouldn't have known of course, and it's unfortunate that you chose to respond to him, but just to give you a heads-up.

No way! Sorry to hear that (

). Howard R.I.P. My condolences to his family and friends of MB. Sad news indeed. And yes, I didn't realize this thread was from two years ago until you mentioned it. I searched for a thread regarding Crimson Glory and this came up. Thank you 'Trollheart' for letting me know. Respect.

The Batlord · 10-14-2014, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Just to let you know, you resurrected a really old thread, and Howard passed away, so you won't get an answer. Don't think it's for any other reason, but he is no longer with us. You wouldn't have known of course, and it's unfortunate that you chose to respond to him, but just to give you a heads-up.

I've always wondered if it wasn't all a hoax. I seem to remember some story of something or other on the net a little while afterward that used a pic that he'd claimed was his own. I really don't remember what it was, but it was definitely pretty fishy. I totally wouldn't put it past Howard to do something crazy like fake his own internet death.

Justthefacts · 10-15-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I've always wondered if it wasn't all a hoax. I seem to remember some story of something or other on the net a little while afterward that used a pic that he'd claimed was his own. I really don't remember what it was, but it was definitely pretty fishy. I totally wouldn't put it past Howard to do something crazy like fake his own internet death.

Internet deaths are real Bat. Always take the internet deaths seriously.

attested_psycho · 06-18-2012, 12:51 PM

I agree with most of the ones already mentioned, I'd personally add the following to the list:
Remedy lane by Pain of salvation
Tyranny by Shadow Gallery
The Human Equation by Ayreon (although it's a mix of lots of genres)

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Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	SOAD isn't prog or technical. It's not really a case of subjectivity either tbh, it straight up isn't. That album is very simple imo, as are all of their albums.

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attested_psycho Groupie Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: La Belle Province Posts: 19	I agree with most of the ones already mentioned, I'd personally add the following to the list: Remedy lane by Pain of salvation Tyranny by Shadow Gallery The Human Equation by Ayreon (although it's a mix of lots of genres)