lol what m8. You can get dirty again, and it does absolutely no harm, can't bring your foreskin back though.

Video from one of my favourite Youtubers - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsYw1ZkFsM

lol what m8

I listen to doctors' advice, not random dude on the internet.

Bathing doesn't remove a child's flesh, or make your dick less sensitive. If you ask a guy when he's of the age of consent if he'd like a procedure that'll make sex less fun, I can guess his answer.

I highly doubt that. Are you saying this has nothing to do with religion?

I bet castration is even more effective at preventing the spread of HIV. Should people run out and do that instead?

Doctors aren't always right anyway, some of them are cunts and wouldn't think twice to write 'cunt' on the inside of your lung.

I got whacked in the head playing rugby, felt a sharp pain in my ears (both) and got cauliflower ear, went to the doctors on four occasions and just got prescribed antibiotics every time. After the first course I did some research on the internets because it wasn't going away, I realised what it was and asked the doctor to just insert a syringe and drain the fluid.

They said it was an infection and just gave me more antibiotics, cream etc, mother Benteke is a nurse and got me a box of syringes so I just continuously drained the fluid out every day myself but by this point the fluid had started to calcify and I needed surgery because there was a massive amount of scar tissue.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZ2dkwx3Ds

I just don't think it should be illegal. Of course, it shouldn't be required, either.

Circumcision is a good thing. Do it while the kid is young enough not to know it's happening.

My older sister's ex-husband wasn't and kept getting infections so he had to get circumcised at the age of 21-22.

I should have recorded the sounds coming out of the bathroom that first week each time he took a piss. Would have swayed this debate.

And it just looks nicer.

Is anyone else curious how the fuck extra skin increases HIV? I'm calling bullshit on that.

Ask a doctor.

Wow ! The problem you had, the mistreatment and the consequences all sound pretty grim, CB, but the point you make is a good one - doctors aren´t infallible, as I also know from personal experience.

Chula´s ex-brother-in-law notwithstanding, in the debate about circumcision, I don´t think the stats about improved higiene are convincing. The supposed health benefits just aren´t significant enough to justify such drastic irreversible surgery.

My brother-in-law -- same problems. He and his wife have/had infections, too.

This article is not about the practice of circumcision, it's about highly unsanitary method of said orthodox ritual. Two different arguments entirely.

Bingo. Under normal conditions, circumcision is a very safe procedure.

The way doctors circumcise: good, safe.

The way the Jews in this story circumcise: bad, unsafe.

I´m equally sorry about your brother-in-law´s experience, mordwyr, but the health argument cuts both ways, if you´ll excuse the expression.

... but perhaps it´s more relevant to ask someone who has lived with the consequences of circumcision:-
...which is perhaps why:-

I know it isn't, I know it is, I know they are. I just threw that bit in to start some discussion.

Well, my penis is fine, healthy, and beautiful -- and I've been circumcised. And my boy's is fine, too. I guess one should choose one's doctor wisely by reputation. Doctors botch other surgeries sometimes, too, but no one calls for their banning.

You're missing the point. It's fine for you but it's not fine for that lad I posted and for many other men.

You don't think people should be allowed the choice to decide?

I think parents are within their parental rights to choose circumcision or not.

I'm circumcised and even though I prefer it that way I believe(morally) people should be given the choice. I extend this moral position to intersex children whose parents choose what gender there child should be as well. That decision should be left up to the person when they are able to comprehend the outcome.

^ Well, that´s good! More information than I really needed, but thanks anyway!:thumb:

^ Yes, any surgery that can be done can also be botched. I think the banning, and my own misgivings, are because of the unessential nature of circumcision, the lack of medical concensus, the lack of consent from the baby and the controvertial long-term effects on sexuality and intimacy.

Legally, I guess parents are usually within their rights to make the decision, but if they choose circumcision there is no reprieve for the child, whereas if they chose NOT to circumcise, the options for the child remain open. Why commit a poor kid to living without a foreskin on so little firm medical evidence? Why not let the kid decide for himself later?

You didn't answer the question. Why should a child not be allowed to make a decision about a medical procedure, no matter how benign, when they're old enough to choose for themselves?

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Because once they are old enough to choose, and if they end up having to go through it, it hurts like f*cking hell.

Again, if you could have heard the noises my 21 YO ex-BIL was making in the bathroom after he had to get it done you'd have a very different opinion.

It was done to me as a newborn and I did the same to my kid. Zero problems.

What's the big deal?

I'm not against not circumcising. I'm against the call to make circumcision illegal. That's it.

I can't imagine it would hurt any less as a baby after being circumcised. The difference is you don't remember. Your brother in law might have had some problems but that's a minority. The fact is most uncircumcised people living first world countries are fine. We don't live in a world where you might not get to bathe for a month or two anymore.

You're denying a person the right to choose. If someone decides they want to become circumcised later in life or end up needing the procedure then they probably understand that it's going to be unpleasant for a little while. The amount of people who actually end up suffering and requiring surgery is more than likely substantially less than those spared incipient suffering. If uncircumcised people actually wound up having substantially more problems than circumcised people there wouldn't be as much controversy. Judging from Lisna's statistics it would actually seem that it's people who are circumcised who end up having more problems

I imagine you can opt for local anesthesia if you do it when your that old. Is it the aftercare that caused the pain? Also, I don't think it's any less painful for a baby, so I don't understand the logic behind that argument.

Funny thing about that is that bathing only became common practice in the 1950s. :laughing:

Can't even imagine how people smelled before then.

Really? Don't you live with Ki? :rofl:

:laughing: I lucked out with this one! He's concerned with his hygiene (though he's been known to blow off the deadliest farts known to man...).

That is extremely disturbing.

Actually, babies are given a local anesthetic.

Having a part of your body removed is going to hurt after the actual removal, too.

They might not want to be circumcised.

My gran grew up in the 1940s/50s and her parents didn't have running water or electricity until she was about 10 years old. Her and her siblings shared the bathwater (she had 3 sisters and 4 brothers - she was the baby) in order of age. The water was fetched from the creek. Granted, they did live on a farm, but I assume people who lived in town didn't have it much better.

She was also put to work, just the same as her siblings. She has this wonderful story about a time when her brother let a headless chicken chase her around the farm for a good while. :laughing:

We're really not so far away from the uncivilized world.

Do you have children, Christian, specifically sons?

Yeah, it's the stitches and they pull as the swelling goes down. Plus urine is really salty which stings like hell from what he told me.

As a newborn they slice the large tube sticking out of your belly button that's been feeding you for nine months. A little extra off the end of your weenie is no big deal.

This thread is a mind blower.