Marte Deborah Dalelv Rape Incident

The Batlord · 07-20-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

I think this didn't come off correctly. I just mean that just because you're visiting another country, if you "break the law" there should be an extraditing back to your original country.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

What does me wanting a woman to have the rights from her own country applied to this case of her being raped, make my post racist?

If this guy had raped a woman in your country would you want him to be sent back to Dubai to serve a slap-on-the-wrist sentence? If a society's laws are broken it is their right to punish the offender. Of course sometimes we get cases like this, but it is what it is.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 07-20-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

If this guy had raped a woman in your country would you want him to be sent back to Dubai to serve a slap-on-the-wrist sentence? If a society's laws are broken it is their right to punish the offender. Of course sometimes we get cases like this, but it is what it is.

I see what you're saying but...I don't know. Slap on the wrist sentences are very common worldwide.

Paul Smeenus · 07-20-2013, 11:57 PM

Trollheart · 07-21-2013, 05:01 AM

I'm glad to report that as far away as backward Ireland we have finally heard of this on a national level. It was on the news yesterday that Marte has decided to go public with this and let the world know what has happened to her. Course, we got about ten seconds of it on the news but still, it's something...

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-21-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

I remember this, it's fucked but I found it slightly funny that the company's explanation for why the living quarters are so dirty is basically 'Asians are smelly'.

Everyone knows it's a fucked up place... the money is good but it comes at a risk. Also I saw this on their laws over there:

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According to the Emirates Centre for Human Rights, UAE law states a rape conviction can only be secured after a confession or as the result of testimony from four adult male witnesses to the crime.

Not just any males however, four adult Muslim males

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Any country that does business with these twats or anyone that goes to that place needs to look in the mirror.

Trollheart · 07-21-2013, 03:25 PM

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I remember this, it's fucked but I found it slightly funny that the company's explanation for why the living quarters are so dirty is basically 'Asians are smelly'.

Everyone knows it's a fucked up place... the money is good but it comes at a risk. Also I saw this on their laws over there:

Not just any males however, four adult Muslim males

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Any country that does business with these twats or anyone that goes to that place needs to look in the mirror.

Rrrright.... so if a woman finds herself in the horrible position of being raped, she should immediately try to find four guys who are going to watch???? Is this ****ing country for real? Could this be the rape centre of the world, like Thailand is the underage sex holiday destination for the discerning pervert?

hip hop bunny hop · 07-21-2013, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I think if you are making your career and your boss asks you to go on a business trip, you would have a very strong incentive to go. To me, Dubai was not previously known for being particularly dangerous. My impression was that it was rather westerner friendly, as it strives to be in order to attract Western World businesses.

Where can't you get raped in the world? Considering she went to the police for help, it is apparent it didn't really occur to her that she could get arrested for doing so. I guess she didn't know better.

Does the outrageous sense of entitlement she must have felt while down there provoke you?

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Tore, there are places that have entirely different conceptions of rape and women's role in society, and this has very real and very practical consequences. It startles me that people are ignorant of this, and it is dangerous to react to this differences with ethnocentric catch-all phrases such as "misogynistic", "sexist", "backwards", etc.

In regards to Dubai - I would've thought it's differences with the west would've been rather well known.

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Rrrright.... so if a woman finds herself in the horrible position of being raped, she should immediately try to find four guys who are going to watch???? Is this ****ing country for real? Could this be the rape centre of the world, like Thailand is the underage sex holiday destination for the discerning pervert?

Gee, Trollheart, do you think there might be a reason for their insistence that women not leave the house unless accompanied by a male family member?

Trollheart · 07-21-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

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Tore, there are places that have entirely different conceptions of rape and women's role in society, and this has very real and very practical consequences. It startles me that people are ignorant of this, and it is dangerous to react to this differences with ethnocentric catch-all phrases such as "misogynistic", "sexist", "backwards", etc.

In regards to Dubai - I would've thought it's differences with the west would've been rather well known.

Gee, Trollheart, do you think there might be a reason for their insistence that women not leave the house unless accompanied by a male family member?

Gee, HHBH. Why don't you go live in Dubai? You seriously see nothing wrong with that, do you? I mean, you seriously don't. You're prepared to accept that as normal behaviour. What would happen, I wonder, were it the other way round. Not that men get raped of course. No, that never happens. Your contempt of women in general never ceases to amaze me. You'd probably love it if men could conceive and we could just do a mass cull of women, would you?

Just because something is law doesn't mean it's right. You can't defend a laughable edict like that as you have above. Anyway, even if she WERE accompanied by a male family member, what if HE decided to rape her? What difference does it make then? I'm sure you'd be happy for Marte to rot in a Dubai jail, wouldn't you? "Serves her right for being a woman". Give me strength.

Oh, and by the way, despite the above I doubt if anyone here is surprised you feel this way

Guybrush · 07-21-2013, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

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Tore, there are places that have entirely different conceptions of rape and women's role in society, and this has very real and very practical consequences. It startles me that people are ignorant of this, and it is dangerous to react to this differences with ethnocentric catch-all phrases such as "misogynistic", "sexist", "backwards", etc.

In regards to Dubai - I would've thought it's differences with the west would've been rather well known.

Well, I happen to strongly disagree with their values regarding this and I don't think it is so dangerous to express that here, even with words like misogynistic. Were it up to me, Dubais laws would be changed so that their society doesn't further victimize rape victims.

Neapolitan · 07-21-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

It's so backwards. Why can't tourists have rights like they do in their originating country?

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This post is just dripping with racism.

As for as implying Vanilla is a racist or trying expose her for racism or whatever you are doing, all I have to say is a skunk smells his hole first.

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Sorry, but their morality is just as valid your morality,

Sorry, it's impossible, you can't have two opposing opinions about a moral issue and both be right.
1. Women should be punish for rape because it is deemed as sex outside of marriage. (or however you want to put it)
2. Women should not be punish for rape.

It obvious your moral relativism does not work.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

their national borders just as sacrosanct, and they're no more backward than we are.

Two wrongs don't make it right. OK there might be plenty examples of backwardness in the world, still doesn't change that what has happen is wrong.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

When a person visits a foreign country, you should obey the laws of that country. Even if you're a woman.

But as far as my understanding of what happen, she didn't disregard the law and committed a crime... she was a victim.

Some of what you said is so way off base, and so illogical it must be a joke, right?

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