We are talking about different things here. The stimulus package (ARRA) you are talking about for '09 was in the works prior to Obama's ascension, though a lot of cooperation with holdovers from the Bush admins. was involved since the writing of it was finished after the transition period. It didn't come out of a vacuum. It wasn't a popular move when Bush was on his way out and it wasn't popular when Obama stepped up either, but it was a decent attempt to "stem the bleeding" that built on what Bush (as you pointed out) had attempted to address. For all intents and purposes though, it was the result of some degree of bi-partisanship.

FTFY

Maybe you shouldn't be on a discussion board if you don't want to have discussions.

I didn't know I was defending him calling you a child when I was criticizing you for calling someone a duckweed. Thanks for filling me in on that though!

Calling me a dickweed sure is dickweedish, Chula.

Person A submits a point.
Person B submits a counterpoint.
Person A doesn't buy it and states so.

If this is what you call a fight then you've obviously never been punched in the face a few times.

(and if that's the case, I think it would do you some good)

Childish too.

1. I showcase a well researched Vice article that makes good points about Obama and slams Trump. You don't bother to read it and call me names and act like a child when you don't get your way.

2. Proceeds to insult other people who call you out on your bullshit. You tell other people to look at the big picture but when they do they're just Trump apologists.

3. Cries like a toddler "I don't wanna debate1111" but proceeds to pigeonhole everything I "supposedly" am (AKA someone you don't know) without reading anything that is actually said.

4. Freaks out emotionally every other post and cries out "BAN ME" to the mods when cornered.

You can't have it both ways Chula. Are you going to be an adult or are you going to cry foul every time you get called out on your flawed thought process?

Yep. All I was saying was that a lot more went into it than people realize.

(put a little edit at the end)

That actually sounds like constructive discussion to me.

Verbal fighting is still fighting, I'm kind of confused why you think it wouldn't be just because there isn't any physical violence.

Also FYI: wanting to resolve a disagreement with your fists instead of your words is about as childish as you can get. If you don't want people to call you a child, maybe stop acting like one.

Personally? I think that, after four (or possibly eight—hopefully not) years of Trump, the ad hominem effect will wear off. People will want somebody more respectful.

Mind you, that's also what I hope will happen, so I'm hardly an objective speculator.

My guess is that we'll see a return to form similar to what you describe here, except that attempts to crack social media will still be prevalent. I also see us abandoning pointless standards of presidential decorum (like the president taking a call from someone who our besties thinks is a big meanie or that the president MUST attend [x] event). As far as tweeting goes, I hope it fizzles out because of how often the media portrays tweets as presidential decrees that are on the same level as executive orders when they're just shitposts at heart that shouldn't be overanalyzed.

I see the opposite. With each passing day the masses are getting more and more tired of the circus, and his base is shrinking. The buyers remorse denial is getting harder and harder to deny. And it's not even been a third of his first year.

There's serious controversy over him and Russia, Ivanka and her business ties, Kushner and his business ties, Flynn has become a serious albatross, his US taxpayer spending for personal reasons is beyond ridiculous and without precendent, and he simply comes off as a bufoon over and over again.

Who the **** was waiting for his NINE tweets about Sally Yates after her testimony yesterday?

The circus tent is about to come down.