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Old 03-24-2006, 01:12 PM   #481 (permalink)
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Nobody considered Rites of Spring Emo in the 80s, but now they're recognized as its founders. What do you say to that?
I would say if that one band defined the sound of it then I could see why that would happen.
However as I said the bands you mentioned were influences among many influences.How many punk bands do you know sound like The Velvet Undergroud or MC5 or The Stooges

Answer none.
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Old 03-24-2006, 01:18 PM   #482 (permalink)
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Forget the Velvet Underground, they were considered Avant Garde at the time. As for the New York Dolls, managed in 1975 by Malcolm McClaren who tried to revive a failing band repackaged them as born again communists, for the shock value, it failed.
Right, they were considered Avant Garde because there was no name for what they were. And the New York Dolls '73 debut is far more Punk than anything McClaren did with them. I don't even see why you bothered to bring him up, when they'd already released a classic Punk album before he came along.

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Realising that shock value was gold, managed the Sex Pistols...safety pins, spikey hair, anarchy, anti establishment...the rest is history.
So you're admitting that the "seminal" Punk band was just pre-packaged Punk, the very thing Punk supposedly rallies against?
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Old 03-24-2006, 01:20 PM   #483 (permalink)
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So you're admitting that the "seminal" Punk band was just pre-packaged Punk, the very thing Punk supposedly rallies against?
Only the Pistols didn`t

They said from the start they were in it for the money.
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Right, they were considered Avant Garde because there was no name for what they were. And the New York Dolls '73 debut is far more Punk than anything McClaren did with them. I don't even see why you bothered to bring him up, when they'd already released a classic Punk album before he came along.
Punk album?

It has more in common with the Rolling Stones than it does with punk
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Right attitude, wrong look...not very punk is it, more like the Glitter Band.
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Just a bit less make up really
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Both are as much American genres as they are British.

Punk didn't begin with the Ramones, but it did start in the US. It doesn't matter where it became a "worldwide phenomenon." That's like saying Nirvana started Grunge because they're the ones that made it big first.

And Post-Punk isn't even close to being an exclusively British genre.
No, but all the best post-punk bands were british.

All we had were Husker Du and The Minutemen.

And punk did not start in the US, if you could name one band who has a significant amount of impact on that genre, it would be The Who, every punk band owes it to The Who and every major punk band ever has credited them as a major influence, and The Clash and The Sex Pistols are widely accepted as the greatest punk bands along with The Ramones, and only The Ramones compare when it comes to overall influence and everything else...The UK pretty much created heavy metal and prog, and punk movements began in US and UK around the same time, so giving the UK no credit for punk whatsoever reveals the ineptness of your point of view.

Plus all these other genres you are giving america credit for, like alternative, grunge and indie were influenced a great deal by british rock music.
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All we had were Husker Du and The Minutemen.
Now now , you had the Gun Club , Mission Of Burma , and I guess you could throw in Pere Ubu & Talking Heads in there too if you`re being generous.
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But werent The Talking Heads around when punk pretty much started?...I never really considered them post punk.
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Well thats why I said if i`m feeling generous
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