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Old 03-23-2006, 04:48 PM   #461 (permalink)
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Rock bands are rife the world over and for the most part don't cut it in the same way. I understand your point, but I do believe that nations are like people and have characteristics, traits.

America=music
Britain=music
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Old 03-23-2006, 05:59 PM   #462 (permalink)
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Sweden has a big music scene too.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:36 PM   #463 (permalink)
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I've finally had time to look over the whole thread. And it seems to me, the Brit-Side has mentioned only musicians in the vein of rock or pop. While these bands were very good (Beatles, Who, Oasis... etc) Rock and Pop aren't the only two music genres out there. In my personal opinion, there are about 4 or 5 genres that the Brits can't even hold a candle to.

Rap.
Hip-Hop.
Country. (Southern Rock, Bluegrass, Honky Tonk included)
Jazz.
Funk.
Heavy Metal. (the Brits could put up a fight here...)
Emo and all of it's subgenres.
Ska.

Just to name a few... Americans have dominated these categories since their inception. Now, I don't know everything about the British music scene, so if you think I'm missing a huge band in one of these categories from Britain - please let me know. So while you may do rock, and it's many sub genres well... you are simply stuck to that corner of Musicdom. Looking into the popular/influential/pioneers of these genres, you might - MAYBE - be able to pick out one British group (save for heavy metal) - but even then, the one or two groups wouldn't be able to match up to the absolute american rule over those genres... Hell... Country IS American. Also, the Brits would have nothing to build on if the Americans didn't create it to begin with.

In conclusion: While the Brits do the things they do well (not necessarily better) - There are certain genres that they have yet to even explore - let alone claim to be better than an American counterpart.

Which would you rather have?

One robot that does 2 things very, very well.

Another robot that does 7 things very, very well, including the 2 things the first robot did. Not only does it do the other robots specialities, but just as well if not better than the first robot.

Get it? Now, those numbers are purely random so don't ask me what the 2 things are and be stupid. So I think that fact alone raises America here. The Brits do a few things very well, but don't even begin to sprawl out and hold sway over the amount of genres that the Americans do.
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Old 03-23-2006, 08:39 PM   #464 (permalink)
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I know personally I'd want both robots.

Edit: No that was no sarcastic. And Yes, i did think that was a well written responce.
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Old 03-24-2006, 03:32 AM   #465 (permalink)
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Rap and Hip Hop relies on sampled music borrowed from Funk/Soul/Rock.
Country music is rooted in the folk traditions of the British Isles. In the new world, those roots became entangled with the ethnic music of other immigrants and African slaves.
Jazz has it's roots in African folk music, call and respond.
Funk is a derivative of Soul, again black.
Heavy Metal evolved through rock 'n' roll, again no prizes for guessing where that stems from.
Emo...ditto.
Ska...get the gist.

Forget the UK and the USA.
I think ALL NATIONS should bow down to the black African immigrant.
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Old 03-24-2006, 03:50 AM   #466 (permalink)
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Right track. With that same syllogism we can also conclude that all music was rooted from the first person to make a beat with a stick on a tree trunk. Reducing it that far down is futile and inane.

OMG LOLZ!!!!111/// YOU GUYZ ARE TEH ST00PID. ALL MUSIC IS ROOTED IN MESOPOTAMIA! UKANDUSA SUCKZZZORZ MESOPOTAMIA HAD FIRST HUMAN CIVIZLATIONS OMG LOLZOZLZZZ, ROOTS IN F3RTILE CRESCENT OMGOMGOMGROFLMAO.

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Old 03-24-2006, 03:56 AM   #467 (permalink)
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OMG LOLZ!!!!111/// YOU GUYZ ARE TEH ST00PID. ALL MUSIC IS ROOTED IN MESOPOTAMIA! UKANDUSA SUCKZZZORZ MESOPOTAMIA HAD FIRST HUMAN CIVIZLATIONS OMG LOLZOZLZZZ, ROOTS IN F3RTILE CRESCENT OMGOMGOMGROFLMAO.

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Crowe, I'm mearly pointing out a valid opinion. After reading this thread nobody has previosly pointed out the contribution black Africans have made to modern music. I happen to think it's important.

I've quoted part of your post because I think it's immature and inane...


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Old 03-24-2006, 04:21 AM   #468 (permalink)
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Rap.
Hip-Hop.
Country. (Southern Rock, Bluegrass, Honky Tonk included)
Jazz.
Funk.
Heavy Metal. (the Brits could put up a fight here...)
Emo and all of it's subgenres.
Ska.
I'd say that the Brits do rave, trance, drum'n'bass, bangra, house, techno, electronic pop, girlband pop etc. better than the Americans do. I'm not even sure that I've HEARD of American bands which play these styles!

Putting Country into the list is pretty ridiculous. There is no reason or use for much country music in Britain, where would you play it? There are no ranches in Britain! No cowboys, no cowgirls and no wide, lonely plains. I could put Northern Soul, Britpop and Pub Rock into a list and say 'the Brits do it better than you'. Its true, we do, but those musical styles are probably as unimportant to Americans as country music is to Brits, so it holds no weight in an argument.

I would agree with rap, hip-hop and funk (probably jazz too) as those are styles which Brits would like to be good at, but mostly aren't. With ska and emo, maybe its more of a publicity or awareness thing, most of the better bands I've heard in these genres have been British.

And heavy metal? Come off it, there are loads of great heavy metals bands in Birmingham alone and, again, most of the best bands I've heard have been British. Metal seems to be more of a tribal thing, so its maybe not surprising that Americans would not be so aware of the British metal and vice versa.
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Old 03-24-2006, 11:03 AM   #469 (permalink)
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I'd say that the Brits do rave, trance, drum'n'bass, bangra, house, techno, electronic pop, girlband pop etc. better than the Americans do. I'm not even sure that I've HEARD of American bands which play these styles!

Putting Country into the list is pretty ridiculous. There is no reason or use for much country music in Britain, where would you play it? There are no ranches in Britain! No cowboys, no cowgirls and no wide, lonely plains. I could put Northern Soul, Britpop and Pub Rock into a list and say 'the Brits do it better than you'. Its true, we do, but those musical styles are probably as unimportant to Americans as country music is to Brits, so it holds no weight in an argument.

I would agree with rap, hip-hop and funk (probably jazz too) as those are styles which Brits would like to be good at, but mostly aren't. With ska and emo, maybe its more of a publicity or awareness thing, most of the better bands I've heard in these genres have been British.

And heavy metal? Come off it, there are loads of great heavy metals bands in Birmingham alone and, again, most of the best bands I've heard have been British. Metal seems to be more of a tribal thing, so its maybe not surprising that Americans would not be so aware of the British metal and vice versa.

Basically said what I was going to.

I would add that most black people in the UK are decended from Jamaica & the carribean. Most black people I know are much more into things like Reggae , Trip Hop , Garage & Drum & Bass rather than American hip hop/rap.

It`s interesting to note when bands like Public Enemy , De La Soul and Run DMC played their first gigs in the UK the audience was prodomenently white.

As for country , well to me thats just American folk music , Britian has it`s own folk music.I can`t imagine someone from Scunthorpe singing about riding his horse across the open plains & being taken seriously some how.

Ska? are you kidding me , we did that over 20 years ago with bands like The Specials , Madness , The Beat , if anything the U.S. is playing catch up there. Ska here has evolved into trip hop , garage & drum & bass.

As for Emo , well thats just a sub genre of punk , and we know who invented that movement & don`t give me that New York crap either.
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Yeah.. ska and reggae definetely go to the Brits.
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