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Old 12-08-2011, 03:04 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Old 12-11-2011, 10:52 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Evolution as a word is sometimes used to just mean simply the development of something though, and I think broadening out a discussion is a good thing. Just looking at things purely from an evolutionary biological perspective seems a bit limiting. And if you are questioning that as being the only way things develop you are bound to bring in other points from other areas.
This is for you starry. This thread is not actually about evolution at all. But, nobody's wrong.

From the man who penned the most recognizable, supposed one-hit wonder of all time. Don McLean. It was written about that painting, and, Van Gogh, supposedly. But, as there is dual meaning to just about everything, it was written as a Love ballad for you. And, a message for me.

In the sense of evolution, music has gone through changes over time. Not at all by chance. It evolves the mental capacity to create, and that is the one thing that every living and supposed non-living thing can accomplish.

Music is a creation, not any biological process or part of a process involving evolutionism. Did it involve nature? Yes, since nature being defined as genre, genus, genius, and gender. It was 'begotten'.

The music is a gift for you, but, the Words were created for something that I have to deal with. Don't believe me, it doesn't matter. I know it, and, it is not a good thing.

And, nothing for anyone to worry about, unless they continue to stand on pedestals, and, berate those who are considered any less intelligent then they are.

Thank all of you for bringing something to my attention. I would suggest planting some Faith in something bigger on the celestial food chain. And, make some peace with that little voice that likes to think negative thoughts, and stop the insults, and the notion of superiority.

I am not calling anyone out. I'm calling you together.

I don't believe any you are not going to face something I have to face. If everything is True, my situation is misery times infinity. You all are redeemed at some point. I am fairly certain of that.

Bless you all, and if you choose to reply, please reply with a video that seems a bit profound. Your favorite songs. I will see things in them that you or even the artist did not.

And, since I've seen many posts now completely off any of the topic, I suppose it would be fair to discuss anything that changes over time.



Evolution - 1615-1625 Somewhere around about then.

"the opening of a book, or, unfolding of something previously folded up"

And, this is thread is debating "Evolutionism", which is a theory. A viewpoint of a process of the metamorphosis of living things. A Biological process to be sure.

I never intended to participate again. But, I sincerely bless tore, and the others who brought my attention to address this again.

I replied to a post with a childish sarcasm. I knew, however, that I was addressing myself, as, I never made it through preschool three times. Let alone fifth grade.

Wisdom is not a two-edge sword. It is a million round sub-machine gun.

Let's all hope that I am being deceived, because next year something is going to happen. It might be just personal for me, and, not the world.

I had a vision in 2002, which amounts to just shy of a minute ago.

I have had some nightmarish dreams all of my life. But, again they may be personal. But, let me share this.

"Judge not to prevent the possibility that you even just might be judged"

You would not want those odds at infinity to one.

I am the Word who dwells in the ineffable Voice. I dwell in undefiled Light and a Thought revealed itself perceptibly through the great Speech of the Mother, although it is a male offspring that supports me as my foundation. And it (the Speech) exists from the beginning in the foundations of the All.
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Let us hope that this is the case. Because, if it is not, I cannot guarantee this, although I am pretty darn sure I can for you all. Not me. Be nice, and don't take those odds.

Every story ever written involves evolution. Every song, Word, Sound, or anything we see a progression or change.

"Nothing, then, redeems us from this world. But the All which we are, we are saved. We have received salvation from end to end. Let us think in this way! Let us comprehend in this way!" - Dialogue of the Savior

I have created a nice sleepy time place for all of you, as the One you all are. I have to rely on a sub atomic particle of Faith, that it is all but hopeless for me.

Take it. Eat it. It's good knowledge without the bad. Just be nice, and get rid of the nastiness in thought, word, or deed.

It matters not if you understand this. I do. I just want to share what I am going to fight to the death. A message of Love and Peace, and Unity. But, this world has exploded in population numbers over the past 100 years. It's mind-boggling.

Post some videos, and, just give a little thought of prayer to that seemingly weird, or insane dude who just gave you this, can come out victorious.

Peace, Love, and Blessings

My favorite band, as well as the best friend I have in this carcass of ignorance is:

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potatoes, rice, and bread, we'll burn it as we take it in.
sing your heart out, sing it like you mean it,
you're gonna sing everything you're thinking,
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cause if it really brings us all together,
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surviving just by questioning,
can you imagine if we all started demanding?
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they can make an industry selling people the things they want to hear,
if this is worth anything, we will sell it for humility,
it will take us farther than the posture you're fronting.
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Old 12-11-2011, 11:00 AM   #103 (permalink)
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This is for you starry. This thread is not actually about evolution at all. But, nobody's wrong.
Sorry, I didn't read any further than this, because I think I would know what the thread is about, and it's definitely about evolution.
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Old 12-11-2011, 11:09 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Bless you all, and if you choose to reply, please reply with a video that seems a bit profound. Your favorite songs. I will see things in them that you or even the artist did not.
Hmmmm.....

You did express concern that you were being off topic, but even a horrible bastard like me can't see how "The Evolution of Music: Accident, or Adaptation?" has anything to do with "Post your favorite songs and I shall review them!!!

Bringing the conversation back to evolution, what do you think about my incoherent suggestion that the creativity of the human brain allowed humans to have an advantage in the evolutionary process because we are more ingenuitive, is exactly the same process that makes us wish to express ourselves with music?
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To me music is just a series of coherent patterns that we've been conditioned to associate with our emotions. So I believe music to be more an evolution in communication than anything else. Whether we use maqams or western scales if they fail to form a coherent structure according to their own axioms we find it difficult to relate to them.

Take any western piece of music and you'll get a general consensus of whether it is a sad, happy or haunting piece, but I don't think it makes music an objective study, take a piece of eastern music and people tend to relate to it by it's country of origin rather than an inherit emotion, take an atonal piece to someone who hasn't formed a grasp of atonal music and every atonal piece will sound devoid of any message and just disturbing.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:12 PM   #106 (permalink)
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To me music is just a series of coherent patterns that we've been conditioned to associate with our emotions. So I believe music to be more an evolution in communication than anything else.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. When I sit down to play some Scott Joplin on the piano or work out some finger picking on the guitar, I'm not remotely interested in whether anyone's heard me or not. I do it because it sounds pleasing to me, and I enjoy it for the sake of that. It could be considered merely releasing endorphins as a natural response from my endocrine system, but I think that if if it were something intrinsic to communication and me assuming it's connection with emotion is purely me having been "conditioned", then somehow I would feel that what I'm doing is more of a message than an "acceleration of celestial experience".

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I agree with Rubato, actually, because his/her post supports music as a spandrel of language.

Also, that was really condescending.
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Hmmmm.....

You did express concern that you were being off topic, but even a horrible bastard like me can't see how "The Evolution of Music: Accident, or Adaptation?" has anything to do with "Post your favorite songs and I shall review them!!!

Bringing the conversation back to evolution, what do you think about my incoherent suggestion that the creativity of the human brain allowed humans to have an advantage in the evolutionary process because we are more ingenuitive, is exactly the same process that makes us wish to express ourselves with music?
I don't know Mighty. Is ingenuitive a Word? Ingenuity? Ingenuous? Ingenious?

What is your definition of 'Evolution'? The Evolutionary 'process' you are speaking of is not the "origin" of the word evolution.

That word 'evolved' through non-accidental adaptation, and, you are discussing a 'theoretical process', Evolutionism.

To satisfy you Mighty, I will present a love song from Mother Earth. It even has lyrics. Tell me if you think Earth is just trying to impress chicks?




My soul is an entangled knot,
Upon a liquid vortex wrought
By Intellect in the Unseen residing,
And thine doth like a convict sit,
With marlinespike untwisting it,
Only to find its knottiness abiding;
Since all the tools for its untying
In four-dimensional space are lying,
Wherein they fancy intersperses
Long avenues of universes,
While Klein and Clifford fill the void
With one finite, unbounded homaloid,
And think the Infinite is now at last destroyed.

James Clerk Maxwell

I asked for the videos of the songs for a reason. A reason of fear like you have never felt. Because, if evolution taught me anything, it taught me the fact that we are here for the long haul, Mighty.

Again, you do not understand things of the scriptures. I do. And, according to the prophesies, it was over as of 1611 AD.

And, messages are delivered through song, and, I need some information that might suggest a positive outcome. As in it is not too late, as every book seems to indicate.

You are eating off a tree here on the world wide spider web of good and evil knowledge.

Here's the deal. It's real as in the illusory perceptive, the reality is within you; as a "carbon copy" image of the beast.

Again, these are things you do not see or understand. I understand them too well. And, understood them exactly 12 days too late.

hmmmm, Is a mental judgment Mighty. I sincerely hope you rid those thoughts. And, not suggest to consider what was done to that 'girl last year'.
Or, do the same thing to 'this guy'.

Because, evolutionism of music is no accident, and if you have to hear going backwards, it will torment you as it is me now.

Don't risk it brother. Just hope I can find the evidence that my so-called very best friend is some type of Antichrist. He knows everything about everything, and has never graduated high school. Or, read a book. But, he showed me how easily to deceive someone who thought he could never be deceived.

I'm asking you for your own sake to believe what I am writing here. I'm 99% sure you do not have to worry about things. I am telling you all the Truth. I wouldn't bank on that one percent of uncertainty.

I never believed in a 'devil'. But, I have to stake my subatomic particle of Faith in something I was certain of prior to Dec 7, 2011. I should be in an asylum right now, mumbling off rubber walls. If you knew what I know, you would be. I guarantee it.

Give yourself some Peace, and show some Love. I am sacrificing the rest of my life on a wing and a prayer.

I am doing this for humanity, not myself, as I know based on evidence, that I am not joining the 'bliss' ride I experienced.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you there, sweetheart. When I sit down to play some Scott Joplin on the piano or work out some finger picking on the guitar, I'm not remotely interested in whether anyone's heard me or not. I do it because it sounds pleasing to me, and I enjoy it for the sake of that. You can tell me that it's merely releasing endorphins as a natural response from my endocrine system, but I think that if if it were something intrinsic to communication and me assuming it's connection with emotion is purely me having been "conditioned", then somehow I would feel that what I'm doing is more of a message than an "acceleration of celestial experience".
Communication has more than one form, if Someone writes something down in their diary it's not for the amusement of the reader. If you play a Scott Joplin piece he's communicating to you, it's not a requirement that you pass it on to someone else.


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To me music is just a series of coherent patterns that we've been conditioned to associate with our emotions. So I believe music to be more an evolution in communication than anything else. Whether we use maqams or western scales if they fail to form a coherent structure according to their own axioms we find it difficult to relate to them.
Yeh there's a lot of truth in that, though I doubt either of us are experts when it comes to the psychology of music.

I would say that it is a lot more indirect than you tend to suggest: our association of sounds with feeling probably has a lot more to do with our understanding of emotions in standard communication. So instead of learning from music itself we learn from elsewhere: be it verbal/ visual or whatever.

None of this does anything to belittle the effect of music, of course, everything we encounter is seen in the context of what we are used to/expect.
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