I don't know enough about her to get what you mean, but I'm intrigued. Please elaborate
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Hung out with a bunch of gay dudes last night. They were awesome.
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OK so. I first started sensing ~vibes a long time ago when clicking absentmindedly through youtube videos. I'm not sure what it was exactly-- some sort of Taylor Swift Interview Compilation?-- and I noticed she had wayyy more chemistry with even a random female red carpet interviewer than she had with any of her alleged ""boyfriends"" from her Red/1989 days. But, that was just a minor thing I noticed. There was also the super gay song she wrote for her ex-bandmate, Emily or something, called Breathe I think? not only that, but T H I S video she made for her and posted on her old Myspace page a long time ago, featuring the lyrics "You have stolen my heart":
Heterosexual young women simply do not do such things. But, sure, it could be nothing, you could say. Straight women can have weirdly intense, borderline-romantic friendships at that age. BUT THEN. Karlie Kloss. Something like 5 years ago, this one person I followed on tumblr (or twitter, idk) kept posting paparazzi pictures of Taylor out and about with her apparent new best friend, Karlie Kloss the supermodel. I thought, "OK, another PR friendship I assume, why are you posting this" but THEN this super gay Vogue photoshoot happened, featuring Taylor and Karlie looking very domestic in an RV and, also, walking through the desert in white dresses as though they both just got married after leaving their beards. I thought, Hmm, that's a bit odd; you'd think they wouldn't want to share the spotlight of a Vogue spread since they're both so fame hungry. Meanwhile, I'm sure, Buzzfeed and gossip magazines were writing gushy articles about how they're such good "gal pals". Just look at this: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/ba...19d9ce7ef5.jpg Anyway I kept seeing increasingly blatantly (not imagined) gay photos/videos featuring this Karlie Kloss. Like an instagram post of some little road trip they took to Big Sur, captioned with a lyric from Taylor's song "You Are In Love." Oh, and then that blurry video came out of Taylor and Karlie kissing at a concert. I mean... Granted, Taylor Swift may also be one of those tragically un self aware women who have a great deal of violently repressed love/longing for women but just tell themselves otherwise. Taylor seems to have a tendency to #NoHomo her gayer songs when it's totally unnecessary to do so. Also, if you're familiar with the formerly closeted country singer Chely Wright, one can't help but notice certain parallels. I watched a short interview clip of her once, where Chely was talking about how the industry forces pop and country stars to closet themselves; she referred to it as, of all things, a "big machine" which coincidentally is also the name of the music label Taylor Swift started out on. So I just wonder if she Knows Things. So, yeah. It's a bunch of little things that have added up and become suspicious over the years. Her gayest songs, IMO are: Breathe, Dress, Seven, It's Nice To Have a Friend, So It Goes (which includes the lyrics "wear you like a necklace".. I mean), I Know Places, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, Gorgeous, Gold Rush, and ofc Betty (she has numerous songs that are "FrOm tHe gUy's pErSpEcTiVe" and her fans don't even blink 'cuz they're dumb) Quote:
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That is quality material, Chio; whatever her sexual orientation is, that video is certainly gay as hell. And the good ol' guys perspective too.
Also, ouch to the comment about weirdly intense straight friendships. That **** is cute but so ****ing confusing. |
Chio I am always down to read trashy celebrity gossip so if you want to make a thread about it you will have at least one reader.
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I have a LOT of Taylor Swift related thoughts. Obviously I am a pop music fan in general. But I generally don't pay attention to the gossip surrounding most of the current pop girls as most of them don't seem terribly complex based solely on their whole ~vibe. Whereas Taylor Swift feels like this chaotic vortex of ambitious horse girl energy, repressed lesbianism/bisexuality, and awkwardness which is all barely contained by her extremely calculated, ever-changing PR strategy over the years (which I do believe she is actually actively involved with unlike many celebrities, with the help of her pretty redheaded publicist who she seems weirdly attached to)-- almost as if she's overcompensating for some deep dark secret perhaps???!! And NOW with her last 2 albums, Folklore and Evermore or whatever, (and her documentaries in which she tries so so very hard to seem natural and off the cuff when clearly she is anything but) you just know she probably gazes at herself in a golden mirror like some fairytale witch before her evening blood bath while telling herself "I am literally Joni Mitchell. I am the #1 Most Heterosexual Indie-Pop Songstress. I WILL win an EGOT." I've always been sort of vaguely curious about the modern day celebrities who a.) have an inexplicably weird aura about them despite not being outwardly eccentric necessarily and b.) do NOT make themselves seem super accessible and hashtag relatable, (as most do nowadays) and instead maintain an aura of mystery and/or go out of their way to push an overly elaborate PR narrative about themselves/their life (Taylor Swift manages to do BOTH those things simultaneously) to a ridiculous degree as, again, it makes me wonder what they are trying to distract from. BUT I will stop here so as not to go too off-topic in this thread; if I feel compelled to share more Taylor Swift thoughts I GUESS I'll make a thread. And, obviously, I have lots of Britney Spears thoughts too, so.. OH AND OF COURSE early to mid 2000s gossip, particularly anything involving members of the Rock of Love/Daisy of Love seasons 1-2 cast (truly 2 of the most iconic unhinged reality shows of that era). I wonder if it should just be a general Pop Culture Gossip Thread so I can just go hog wild along with whoever else. As I do also love the incredibly stupid show Vanderpump Rules, partly due to the fact that some of them could easily be characters from IASIP. |
Do you have thoughts on all the rumors of Dolly Parton being a lesbian?
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I was JUST telling my roommate about this the other day. I totally believe it. Lavender marriages have always been a thing in hollywood after all. Also apparently it's quite easy for her to blend in and go incognito when she's not in her Dolly Parton drag, so there's that. Also lesbians (IMO) : Whitney Houston, Anna Nicole Smith, and Marilyn Monroe. |
Please continue about all of it.
And I'm no Dolly historian but from what I've heard I believe it as well. I mean she might really just be an angel but her sheer embrace of the gay community while being a country artist is a bit unprecedented. |
Obama is bi imo
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Taylor Swift, too, since leaving her record label has been much more loudly supportive (as opposed to quietly donating without much fanfare, as she did in her earlier years) of the gay community/LGBT issues. She was even rightfully accused of queerbaiting during the Lover era after she abruptly started throwing a ton of gay imagery in everything (her wardrobe, music videos, promo videos etc) only to then have yet another panicked #NoHomo moment in a magazine interview. This is a distinct pattern she has. I believe there is even a video clip (filmed during the making of that dreadful music video for "Me") of her saying that the 3 things she'd choose to describe her as a a person would be cowboy boots, GAY PRIDE, and .. forgot the last thing, but still. She said this out loud, rather nonchalantly. But anyway I'll continue with that tomorrow, after I talk about Dolly and Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith (and compulsory heterosexuality and the closeted bisexual experience and how it can lead one to develop a weird alternate persona for the sole purpose of enduring men while protecting your actual core self/cosplaying as a straight woman.. all the while being totally emotionally detached from it all and sexually dead/bored to death even if you seem to be some kind of nympho on the surface. or something. I haven't actually ever managed to properly articulate that whole thing yet so it probably won't make much sense. As you can see I'm TOTALLY not just wildly projecting onto these famous women at all!!! *sweats* ) Oh and Paris Hilton is gay too. Sensed major gay or bisexual vibes in her documentary, especially when she reunited with her "best friend" from one of the abusive Troubled Teen schools her parents sent her to. Quote:
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Idk how strong your video editing skills but you definitely have enough material on this subject for a dope video essay youtube channel.
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@Chio This DEFINITELY needs its own elaborate thread, I love it. Your really nailed Taylor Swift with the ambitious horse girl comment, her strange aura explains why I've been intrigued by her even without being into her music. Oh and I absolutely will explain your theories to my Taylor Swift obsessed friend, he needs to know about this
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Oh also, any thoughts about the uncanny gay energy of Carly Rae Jepsen's music? I have no idea about her as a person (the only things I know about her are the music and memery) but her music just nails the Gay Angst and Longing as if it's channelling some queer mystery source.
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Queerbait, all of it.
All recorded music ever, even the gay artists. All. Queerbait. |
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OK I know I said I would unload ALL my thoughts and theories today but seasonal depression decided that no, I will not. But @Bat as for Dolly, I'm no Dolly Parton historian either but for now I can at least link you to this entertaining thread on a lesbian gossip site about the Dolly rumors: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/l_an...51218-s10.html
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Also I'm a bit lazy, or rather, I don't know if I could be bothered to make such a video look very polished and nice when I could instead simply use the equivalent of a sock puppet + bad goofy edits. I definitely would not want my face in it or anywhere on youtube unless I were in some elaborate costume (I don't know why I have these rules, I simply do). Am I slightly afraid of Taylor Swift's beautiful publicist Tree Paine personally coming to my house and executing me as a result of said future video essay? Yes. Do I still want to attempt to make a stop-motion film in the style of Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story about closeted burgeoning country music stars including Taylor Swift until my roommates drag me out of my room/film set to put me in the psych ward? Yes. Quote:
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Oh yes, that's puzzling
The Dolly Parton thread makes me feel conflicted because on the one hand I have some ethical objections to it (re: discussion earlier in this thread etc.) but also it's just too fascinating. The idea of some kind of queer shadow realm behind the straight country/pop music facade is like gay catnip to me |
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Just watching the third season of Star Trek Discovery, when and how did this show become one of the queerest on TV? Not only do they have at least 3 gay regulars, they just casually introduced a non-binary person as a regular as well. Way to go Star Trek!
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I mean Star Trek had some really terrible nonsense early on, so they had to make up for that later.
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Some more Taylor Swift thoughts (forgive me, I'm cranky and tired today so I won't be editing this much or trying to be coherent) -
Straight swifties (not casual fans, but Swifties) are so irritating. Any time someone gently suggests that perhaps she may be bisexual, and/or that some of her lyrics sound like they could perhaps theoretically be alluding to the closeted gay/bisexual experience (due to personally relating to it, or whatever -- Taylor Swift used to encourage her fans to analyze her lyrcis after all and claimed her songs were like diary entries-- and straight swifties are always AGHAST. "Ummmm," they say, "it's kinda uncool and gross to speculate about taylor's sexuality... That song is about her bf Joe." But like. They are constantly speculating about the intimate details of their domestic life, and, when she is single (or doesn't have a beard), they are speculating about her love life, who she could be dating or who she should date, and so on. So I don't really see what's wrong with us merely observing certain things about her lyrical themes and actions and noting that some of her actions (in terms of PR stuff/staged paparazzi shots of her and her boyfriends) bring to mind those of previously (or rumored to be) closeted celebrities of yore. Obviously the people who, like, track her planes and stuff are weird and creepy but the majority of Gaylor truthers are not like that. There's this one (lesbian) music writer for Vulture who has always loudly speculated about gay themes in Taylor's music, both on Vulture and on Twitter. Joking about Taylor's #nohomo comments (which often followed things like releasing a song called "Me" on lesbian visibility day... and also circulating an official promo image that said "Me: Out now" on that SAME DAY, LESBIAN VISIBILITY DAY... and then in a couple videos, cramming in as much stereotypically gay imagery as she could and so on and so forth) etc. But then just a couple weeks ago I noticed that her (the Vulture writer) twitter is now private/protected. So I wonder if Taylor's team has been trying to subdue all the speculation. And then the other day there was that ""leaked"" photo.... Of her and her "boyfriend" Joe shirtless in a bathroom, seemingly getting ready to go somewhere (but not, like, posing in an intimate way or anything) and so many people are like "Welp! She's straight/he's not a beard after all!" but I remain unconvinced. They could be close friends, first of all. Or, again, she could be bisexual, but that's not my point. As I've said, Taylor is clearly a neurotic control freak and an extremely good businesswoman; this is evident in many of her past interviews where she talks about more in-depth stuff regarding her whole brand. So, back to the "leaked" photo--- allegedly, fans who attended one of her past "secret sessions" reported describing basically that same photo being "accidentally" shown to them (like scrolled past by Taylor or something) on her laptop. Taylor is very strategic and I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate a "leaked" photo to squash any lingering gay rumors. Especially if she is in fact deeply closeted and freaks out over the mere idea of being publicly known as bisexual. (You'd think she do what some other celebrities do and just call herself ""fluid"" and say she ""doesn't feel the need for labels"") And again. There's other things. I don't know why this bugs me; I think if straight swifties weren't so aggressively homophobic I wouldn't get riled up about this so often (which then makes me start to mentally speculate again). As i said, I am convinced she is gay or bi largely just due to her whole vibe + video footage of her interacting with men versus women. The complete and utter lack of chemistry (and her body language and eye contact with them) she has with pretty much all men versus her chemistry/body language/eye contact and just ~vibe when around women. Again, this is just based on video footage of course, as well as my own intuition. But like the eye contact thing... Straight women do not look at other women in the same way bi/gay women do. I mean, obviously. But I'm not talking about ogling. I mean simply the way they look at other women. The eye contact is just different and more intense when a bi/gay woman is looking at another woman versus a straight woman looking at another woman (strangers I mean). And Taylor has just always (IMO) positively oozed gay vibes, even in interviews from her very early days. ..So, considering all of the above, and all the public speculation about her sexuality/some lesbians on the internet publicly noting that she seems a bit gay (despite her best efforts), it's unsurprising that she is now suddenly talking about her bf Joe way, way more than she ever did in the past. Her newest album features lyrics such as "...that's my man" (barf) but then there's like at least two songs which are so obviously about her semi public falling out with Karlie Kloss. (One is "Gold Rush" and the other is one of the deluxe album tracks in which she says some very specific things which can't really be interpreted to be about anyone but Karlie, based on what people in Taylor's close friend group have verified via Tweet likes in the past and such. Basically, allegedly, Karlie revealed personal details about Taylor's Life to her manager Scooter Braun. And also, potentially, told him that her masters were up for sale before anyone else knew. Two of Taylor's close friends liked tweets stating this. And Karlie has revealed herself to be a vapid social climber in recent years so it's unsurprising. I think Taylor and Karlie had an extremely close, extremely homoerotic friendship-- possibly an affair-- which would explain why sooo many songs of hers seem to allude to Karlie, even now, years after the falling out. CLEARLY Karlie strung her along or did something to break her heart, probably the same sort of stuff many bi and lesbian women have experienced from straight-but-bicurious or closeted girls in our youth. It's so obvious. This is long enough so I won't dig up specific lyrics right now or post gifs displaying the INSANE amount of chemistry that radiated off of Taylor and Karlie back when they went everywhere together. But it was obvious. (Especially when you to compare those photos/videos/gifs with ones of her out and about with past "boyfriends"....) at 0:28 Chely Wright begins to describe a "big machine" of hiding (in the music industry/forced closeting)... which, again, is also the name of Taylor's old music label. Coincidentally. |
Hell yes I went on a binge of those vulture articles a few days ago, they're really addictive. You make a good point: the excessive amount of gay shipping/speculation among lgbt fans is a reaction against the aggressive 'straightening' of celebrities and culture. Some of the gay theorising is certainly aggressive too (or outright insane) but most of what I've seen is pretty gentle and harmless, and it's important to acknowledge where it comes from.
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I don't follow Taylor Swift at all so I'm just guessing here but I would not be surprised if she likes all this speculation or at least the publicity behind it.
It reminds me of when Twilight came out and there were rumors the two stars were dating and they refused to comment on it. They know the speculation only helps them and generates free publicity. |
Sure, that's another subtle shade of queerbaiting.
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What's valid about it? Seems like a bitch move imo
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Lavender marriages have been a thing since the old hollywood days. It works fine for some I'm sure.
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I'm sure staying in the closet works
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Sure, any of these little things alone can be explained away, but still. I do still think it's possible that she (while also capitalizing off all of it) was testing the waters for a possible coming out, as I mentioned. Some think that the whole drama surrounding Scooter Braun buying her masters & former record label made her not want to risk getting any more negative publicity (not that it was all negative, but I feel even the smallest amount drives her crazy) if, for instance, she came out as bi/"fluid" and her more conservative and immature fanbase felt weird about it. She has said before that she is terrified of making any of her fans feel alienated. Quote from a 2015 Elle interview: Quote:
All of this is difficult to fully explain to someone who is not aware of all the Taylor Swift background lore (I have always been fascinated by her whole PR strategy for some reason, so I pay extra close attention when she starts doing something new/parading a new boyfriend around or whatever). But I assure you my opinions/hunches about all this are not based on nothing. It's just quite a lot to sum up is all. As I said, I think she is a deeply neurotic, ambitious horse girl type of person. Based on interviews and such I feel, as I said, that she's much more involved in her brand and image than most pop stars of her caliber. Or at least she has been since she left her old label, I suspect. In her netflix documentary there's a scene where she's sitting down with a bunch of people from her team, as well as her father. She is trying to express to them that she wants to speak out about some political thing-- she mentioned feeling "muzzled" in the past-- and they are all telling her "Noooo no it's a bad idea, just don't" which tells me that they'd react the same way if, for instance, she wanted to go public about being bisexual/gay (if she is not straight) or anything. Since, after all, for years she/her team cultivated an image of a relatable, super-accessible wholesome girl who made fans believe they were her personal friends so they were as emotionally invested as possible. She referred to her songs as diary entries about her real personal life, whether it was true or not. It's clear she regrets that now, seeing as she's going out of her way to say "These last two albums are based on FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!!!" as though it's some novel unheard of concept. Because she knows that the crazy swifties have this desperate need for her to be relatable to them, personally so that they can continue to project upon her and the dramatic love stories she sings about. Also worth noting is this bit that was in the booklet that came with the Reputation album: https://i.imgur.com/Sg0GfrT.png Remember, she's addressing diehard swifties here. She has to spell everything out for them. I found it odd that she emphasized this, however, considering her previous strategy of making her fans feel like they were her bffs and knew her soooo well. So whether she was ever going to really follow through with it (a coming out) or not, I do feel this marked the beginning of an attempt to gradually distance herself from parts of her original, homophobic/conservative fanbase who seem to NEED her to have a wholesome hetero relationship and love story going on at all times. (While at the same time ofc throwing them breadcrumbs here and there so they continue buying her albums, since she is clearly very much a capitalist after all. Yes, I know one can argue that that's all she's doing with her LGB fans, but I don't think that's the case based on the much more subtle-- yet obvious to those paying attention-- hints and clues and imagery and themes that have been evident in her body of work and performances and even commercials through the years. Whereas it's like she KNOWS that straight swifties are incredibly obtuse as well as gullible and will be thrilled with 1 single staged photo of her and a man holding hands.) Also, once again, she has a song called "I Know Places" about having to hide a lover. "Well that's just about being famous and having to avoid the paprazzi!" swifties say. But she, like other celebrities obviously call the paprazzi when they wish to be photographed (as she used to be almost daily outside her apartment in NYC), duh. And this was in the performance of that song during the 1989 tour: https://i.imgur.com/YQZxNvx.gif ..people jumping in and out of what appear to be closets. Yes, sure, could be nothing. Let's look at some of the lyrcis: Quote:
In conclusion, I am right. Here's some bonus gifs/pictures of her and Karlie looking very not straight (am using Karlie related stuff just because that whole period had by far the most overt, um, indicators) : Spoiler for yes i know I sound insane and creepy:
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ok so I started reading up on these gaylor theories and I'm now in over my head. She definitely gives off a humongous amount of queer vibes. This photo omg (it's somehow more convincing to me than all the theories together)
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^ Cool shirt! I also have one in the same color with the exact same design but mine's an original B.O.C. tour shirt from the 70's. Anyway, as long as I'm here... Greece names first openly gay minister |
Is there any other human that's ever lived that's had this much attention paid to their love life/sexuality? Quite a throne we've put Taylor on. For me she makes solid easy listening music that I like and that's it really.
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She has an 11/10 face with an 8/10 everything else.
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