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Marie Monday 12-13-2020 02:01 AM

I don't know enough about her to get what you mean, but I'm intrigued. Please elaborate

The Batlord 12-13-2020 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2149672)
I don't know enough about her to get what you mean, but I'm intrigued. Please elaborate

I think she's just thirsty tbh.

OccultHawk 12-13-2020 07:22 AM

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I have been saying this for years and years and I am correct.
That’s a very Hawkish approach to the discussion.

JiggleMonster 12-13-2020 11:38 AM

Hung out with a bunch of gay dudes last night. They were awesome.

goldendoodle 12-13-2020 12:26 PM

OK so. I first started sensing ~vibes a long time ago when clicking absentmindedly through youtube videos. I'm not sure what it was exactly-- some sort of Taylor Swift Interview Compilation?-- and I noticed she had wayyy more chemistry with even a random female red carpet interviewer than she had with any of her alleged ""boyfriends"" from her Red/1989 days. But, that was just a minor thing I noticed. There was also the super gay song she wrote for her ex-bandmate, Emily or something, called Breathe I think? not only that, but T H I S video she made for her and posted on her old Myspace page a long time ago, featuring the lyrics "You have stolen my heart":



Heterosexual young women simply do not do such things. But, sure, it could be nothing, you could say. Straight women can have weirdly intense, borderline-romantic friendships at that age.

BUT THEN.

Karlie Kloss.

Something like 5 years ago, this one person I followed on tumblr (or twitter, idk) kept posting paparazzi pictures of Taylor out and about with her apparent new best friend, Karlie Kloss the supermodel. I thought, "OK, another PR friendship I assume, why are you posting this" but THEN this super gay Vogue photoshoot happened, featuring Taylor and Karlie looking very domestic in an RV and, also, walking through the desert in white dresses as though they both just got married after leaving their beards. I thought, Hmm, that's a bit odd; you'd think they wouldn't want to share the spotlight of a Vogue spread since they're both so fame hungry. Meanwhile, I'm sure, Buzzfeed and gossip magazines were writing gushy articles about how they're such good "gal pals". Just look at this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/ba...19d9ce7ef5.jpg

Anyway I kept seeing increasingly blatantly (not imagined) gay photos/videos featuring this Karlie Kloss. Like an instagram post of some little road trip they took to Big Sur, captioned with a lyric from Taylor's song "You Are In Love." Oh, and then that blurry video came out of Taylor and Karlie kissing at a concert. I mean...

Granted, Taylor Swift may also be one of those tragically un self aware women who have a great deal of violently repressed love/longing for women but just tell themselves otherwise. Taylor seems to have a tendency to #NoHomo her gayer songs when it's totally unnecessary to do so. Also, if you're familiar with the formerly closeted country singer Chely Wright, one can't help but notice certain parallels. I watched a short interview clip of her once, where Chely was talking about how the industry forces pop and country stars to closet themselves; she referred to it as, of all things, a "big machine" which coincidentally is also the name of the music label Taylor Swift started out on. So I just wonder if she Knows Things.

So, yeah. It's a bunch of little things that have added up and become suspicious over the years. Her gayest songs, IMO are: Breathe, Dress, Seven, It's Nice To Have a Friend, So It Goes (which includes the lyrics "wear you like a necklace".. I mean), I Know Places, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, Gorgeous, Gold Rush, and ofc Betty (she has numerous songs that are "FrOm tHe gUy's pErSpEcTiVe" and her fans don't even blink 'cuz they're dumb)

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2149694)
That’s a very Hawkish approach to the discussion.

Well, I am right!! It can't be helped.

OccultHawk 12-13-2020 12:39 PM

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Well, I am right!! It can't be helped.
I know the feeling.

Marie Monday 12-13-2020 02:35 PM

That is quality material, Chio; whatever her sexual orientation is, that video is certainly gay as hell. And the good ol' guys perspective too.
Also, ouch to the comment about weirdly intense straight friendships. That **** is cute but so ****ing confusing.

The Batlord 12-13-2020 04:29 PM

Chio I am always down to read trashy celebrity gossip so if you want to make a thread about it you will have at least one reader.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2149708)
any woman who writes ballads might be gay because women are way better inspiration for that sorta thing

You wouldn't listen to "Softly He Belches"?

goldendoodle 12-13-2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2149784)
That is quality material, Chio; whatever her sexual orientation is, that video is certainly gay as hell. And the good ol' guys perspective too.
Also, ouch to the comment about weirdly intense straight friendships. That **** is cute but so ****ing confusing.

Thanks! Believe it or not I was trying to be brief. I truly could write a Russian novel about so many frivolous things like this. (Or anything really. I need several penpals to get it all out of my system.)

And yes, those sort of friendships were always SO very vexing and exhausting at times.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2149803)
Chio I am always down to read trashy celebrity gossip so if you want to make a thread about it you will have at least one reader.

I HAVE contemplated making a Taylor Swift thread for the sole purpose of psychoanalyzing her + speculating about her past alleged affairs with her female "bffs". Oh, there's also the wildly entertaining "Kaylor" fandom who staunchly believe that she and Karlie Kloss are secretly married. They're all completely insane, even to me.

I have a LOT of Taylor Swift related thoughts. Obviously I am a pop music fan in general. But I generally don't pay attention to the gossip surrounding most of the current pop girls as most of them don't seem terribly complex based solely on their whole ~vibe. Whereas Taylor Swift feels like this chaotic vortex of ambitious horse girl energy, repressed lesbianism/bisexuality, and awkwardness which is all barely contained by her extremely calculated, ever-changing PR strategy over the years (which I do believe she is actually actively involved with unlike many celebrities, with the help of her pretty redheaded publicist who she seems weirdly attached to)-- almost as if she's overcompensating for some deep dark secret perhaps???!! And NOW with her last 2 albums, Folklore and Evermore or whatever, (and her documentaries in which she tries so so very hard to seem natural and off the cuff when clearly she is anything but) you just know she probably gazes at herself in a golden mirror like some fairytale witch before her evening blood bath while telling herself "I am literally Joni Mitchell. I am the #1 Most Heterosexual Indie-Pop Songstress. I WILL win an EGOT."

I've always been sort of vaguely curious about the modern day celebrities who a.) have an inexplicably weird aura about them despite not being outwardly eccentric necessarily and b.) do NOT make themselves seem super accessible and hashtag relatable, (as most do nowadays) and instead maintain an aura of mystery and/or go out of their way to push an overly elaborate PR narrative about themselves/their life (Taylor Swift manages to do BOTH those things simultaneously) to a ridiculous degree as, again, it makes me wonder what they are trying to distract from. BUT I will stop here so as not to go too off-topic in this thread; if I feel compelled to share more Taylor Swift thoughts I GUESS I'll make a thread. And, obviously, I have lots of Britney Spears thoughts too, so.. OH AND OF COURSE early to mid 2000s gossip, particularly anything involving members of the Rock of Love/Daisy of Love seasons 1-2 cast (truly 2 of the most iconic unhinged reality shows of that era). I wonder if it should just be a general Pop Culture Gossip Thread so I can just go hog wild along with whoever else. As I do also love the incredibly stupid show Vanderpump Rules, partly due to the fact that some of them could easily be characters from IASIP.

The Batlord 12-13-2020 07:32 PM

Do you have thoughts on all the rumors of Dolly Parton being a lesbian?

goldendoodle 12-13-2020 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2149851)
Do you have thoughts on all the rumors of Dolly Parton being a lesbian?

Y E S

I was JUST telling my roommate about this the other day. I totally believe it. Lavender marriages have always been a thing in hollywood after all. Also apparently it's quite easy for her to blend in and go incognito when she's not in her Dolly Parton drag, so there's that.

Also lesbians (IMO) : Whitney Houston, Anna Nicole Smith, and Marilyn Monroe.

The Batlord 12-13-2020 07:57 PM

Please continue about all of it.

And I'm no Dolly historian but from what I've heard I believe it as well. I mean she might really just be an angel but her sheer embrace of the gay community while being a country artist is a bit unprecedented.

jwb 12-13-2020 08:31 PM

Obama is bi imo

Lucem Ferre 12-13-2020 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2149708)
any woman who writes ballads might be gay because women are way better inspiration for that sorta thing

Self contradicting elph self contradicts.

goldendoodle 12-13-2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2149854)
Please continue about all of it.

And I'm no Dolly historian but from what I've heard I believe it as well. I mean she might really just be an angel but her sheer embrace of the gay community while being a country artist is a bit unprecedented.

All of it you say??? Including the rest of my Taylor Swift thoughts? I will continue tomorrow, then. (I apologize to everyone else in advance)

Taylor Swift, too, since leaving her record label has been much more loudly supportive (as opposed to quietly donating without much fanfare, as she did in her earlier years) of the gay community/LGBT issues. She was even rightfully accused of queerbaiting during the Lover era after she abruptly started throwing a ton of gay imagery in everything (her wardrobe, music videos, promo videos etc) only to then have yet another panicked #NoHomo moment in a magazine interview. This is a distinct pattern she has. I believe there is even a video clip (filmed during the making of that dreadful music video for "Me") of her saying that the 3 things she'd choose to describe her as a a person would be cowboy boots, GAY PRIDE, and .. forgot the last thing, but still. She said this out loud, rather nonchalantly. But anyway I'll continue with that tomorrow, after I talk about Dolly and Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith (and compulsory heterosexuality and the closeted bisexual experience and how it can lead one to develop a weird alternate persona for the sole purpose of enduring men while protecting your actual core self/cosplaying as a straight woman.. all the while being totally emotionally detached from it all and sexually dead/bored to death even if you seem to be some kind of nympho on the surface. or something. I haven't actually ever managed to properly articulate that whole thing yet so it probably won't make much sense. As you can see I'm TOTALLY not just wildly projecting onto these famous women at all!!! *sweats* )

Oh and Paris Hilton is gay too. Sensed major gay or bisexual vibes in her documentary, especially when she reunited with her "best friend" from one of the abusive Troubled Teen schools her parents sent her to.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2149858)
Obama is bi imo

I totally agree tbh imo.

https://i.imgur.com/X4oizeN.jpg

Frownland 12-13-2020 11:13 PM

Idk how strong your video editing skills but you definitely have enough material on this subject for a dope video essay youtube channel.

Marie Monday 12-14-2020 12:39 AM

@Chio This DEFINITELY needs its own elaborate thread, I love it. Your really nailed Taylor Swift with the ambitious horse girl comment, her strange aura explains why I've been intrigued by her even without being into her music. Oh and I absolutely will explain your theories to my Taylor Swift obsessed friend, he needs to know about this

Marie Monday 12-14-2020 01:17 AM

Oh also, any thoughts about the uncanny gay energy of Carly Rae Jepsen's music? I have no idea about her as a person (the only things I know about her are the music and memery) but her music just nails the Gay Angst and Longing as if it's channelling some queer mystery source.

Tristan_Geoff 12-14-2020 05:04 AM

Queerbait, all of it.

All recorded music ever, even the gay artists.

All. Queerbait.

Psy-Fi 12-14-2020 06:54 AM

U.K. to Ease Rules on Blood Donations by Gay and Bisexual Men

jwb 12-14-2020 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by goldendoodle (Post 2149865)

I totally agree tbh imo.

https://i.imgur.com/X4oizeN.jpg


goldendoodle 12-14-2020 11:39 PM

OK I know I said I would unload ALL my thoughts and theories today but seasonal depression decided that no, I will not. But @Bat as for Dolly, I'm no Dolly Parton historian either but for now I can at least link you to this entertaining thread on a lesbian gossip site about the Dolly rumors: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/l_an...51218-s10.html

Spoiler for screenshot:


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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2149867)
Idk how strong your video editing skills but you definitely have enough material on this subject for a dope video essay youtube channel.

If you say so! Like most people, I've planned countless video essays in my head while doing the dishes or showering, however I do not have ANY video editing skills beyond basic Windows Movie Maker stuff (mainly because I haven't edited any videos at all period in several years despite always going on and on about needing to make Gargoyles AMVs and neural net generated Hallmark christmas movies and so on etc)
Also I'm a bit lazy, or rather, I don't know if I could be bothered to make such a video look very polished and nice when I could instead simply use the equivalent of a sock puppet + bad goofy edits. I definitely would not want my face in it or anywhere on youtube unless I were in some elaborate costume (I don't know why I have these rules, I simply do).

Am I slightly afraid of Taylor Swift's beautiful publicist Tree Paine personally coming to my house and executing me as a result of said future video essay? Yes. Do I still want to attempt to make a stop-motion film in the style of Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story about closeted burgeoning country music stars including Taylor Swift until my roommates drag me out of my room/film set to put me in the psych ward? Yes.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2149877)
Oh also, any thoughts about the uncanny gay energy of Carly Rae Jepsen's music? I have no idea about her as a person (the only things I know about her are the music and memery) but her music just nails the Gay Angst and Longing as if it's channelling some queer mystery source.

I have never paid attention to the lyrics of her songs despite liking her music a lot ("Store" is so underrated) but I definitely know what you mean. Weirdly I get pretty normal straight vibes from Carly as a person, and yet, there is indeed an undercurrent of Gay Angst and Longing in her music! And, in contrast.. random example, but, Selena Gomez (along with Miley and Demi) gives me strong lesbian/gay-leaning bisexual vibes yet her music is aggressively heterosexual to my ears. So, yeah. Huh.

Marie Monday 12-15-2020 01:08 AM

Oh yes, that's puzzling
The Dolly Parton thread makes me feel conflicted because on the one hand I have some ethical objections to it (re: discussion earlier in this thread etc.) but also it's just too fascinating. The idea of some kind of queer shadow realm behind the straight country/pop music facade is like gay catnip to me

Psy-Fi 12-15-2020 07:20 AM

Hungary Passes Laws Curtailing Gay Rights and Expanding Executive Power

Psy-Fi 12-16-2020 06:15 AM

LGBT-owned kilt maker denounces kilt-clad Proud Boys

adidasss 12-18-2020 06:23 PM

Just watching the third season of Star Trek Discovery, when and how did this show become one of the queerest on TV? Not only do they have at least 3 gay regulars, they just casually introduced a non-binary person as a regular as well. Way to go Star Trek!

BassoonPlatoon 12-23-2020 01:10 PM

I mean Star Trek had some really terrible nonsense early on, so they had to make up for that later.

goldendoodle 12-27-2020 01:39 AM

Some more Taylor Swift thoughts (forgive me, I'm cranky and tired today so I won't be editing this much or trying to be coherent) -

Straight swifties (not casual fans, but Swifties) are so irritating. Any time someone gently suggests that perhaps she may be bisexual, and/or that some of her lyrics sound like they could perhaps theoretically be alluding to the closeted gay/bisexual experience (due to personally relating to it, or whatever -- Taylor Swift used to encourage her fans to analyze her lyrcis after all and claimed her songs were like diary entries-- and straight swifties are always AGHAST. "Ummmm," they say, "it's kinda uncool and gross to speculate about taylor's sexuality... That song is about her bf Joe." But like. They are constantly speculating about the intimate details of their domestic life, and, when she is single (or doesn't have a beard), they are speculating about her love life, who she could be dating or who she should date, and so on. So I don't really see what's wrong with us merely observing certain things about her lyrical themes and actions and noting that some of her actions (in terms of PR stuff/staged paparazzi shots of her and her boyfriends) bring to mind those of previously (or rumored to be) closeted celebrities of yore. Obviously the people who, like, track her planes and stuff are weird and creepy but the majority of Gaylor truthers are not like that.

There's this one (lesbian) music writer for Vulture who has always loudly speculated about gay themes in Taylor's music, both on Vulture and on Twitter. Joking about Taylor's #nohomo comments (which often followed things like releasing a song called "Me" on lesbian visibility day... and also circulating an official promo image that said "Me: Out now" on that SAME DAY, LESBIAN VISIBILITY DAY... and then in a couple videos, cramming in as much stereotypically gay imagery as she could and so on and so forth) etc.
But then just a couple weeks ago I noticed that her (the Vulture writer) twitter is now private/protected. So I wonder if Taylor's team has been trying to subdue all the speculation.

And then the other day there was that ""leaked"" photo.... Of her and her "boyfriend" Joe shirtless in a bathroom, seemingly getting ready to go somewhere (but not, like, posing in an intimate way or anything) and so many people are like "Welp! She's straight/he's not a beard after all!" but I remain unconvinced. They could be close friends, first of all. Or, again, she could be bisexual, but that's not my point. As I've said, Taylor is clearly a neurotic control freak and an extremely good businesswoman; this is evident in many of her past interviews where she talks about more in-depth stuff regarding her whole brand. So, back to the "leaked" photo--- allegedly, fans who attended one of her past "secret sessions" reported describing basically that same photo being "accidentally" shown to them (like scrolled past by Taylor or something) on her laptop. Taylor is very strategic and I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate a "leaked" photo to squash any lingering gay rumors. Especially if she is in fact deeply closeted and freaks out over the mere idea of being publicly known as bisexual. (You'd think she do what some other celebrities do and just call herself ""fluid"" and say she ""doesn't feel the need for labels"")

And again. There's other things. I don't know why this bugs me; I think if straight swifties weren't so aggressively homophobic I wouldn't get riled up about this so often (which then makes me start to mentally speculate again). As i said, I am convinced she is gay or bi largely just due to her whole vibe + video footage of her interacting with men versus women. The complete and utter lack of chemistry (and her body language and eye contact with them) she has with pretty much all men versus her chemistry/body language/eye contact and just ~vibe when around women. Again, this is just based on video footage of course, as well as my own intuition. But like the eye contact thing... Straight women do not look at other women in the same way bi/gay women do. I mean, obviously. But I'm not talking about ogling. I mean simply the way they look at other women. The eye contact is just different and more intense when a bi/gay woman is looking at another woman versus a straight woman looking at another woman (strangers I mean). And Taylor has just always (IMO) positively oozed gay vibes, even in interviews from her very early days.

..So, considering all of the above, and all the public speculation about her sexuality/some lesbians on the internet publicly noting that she seems a bit gay (despite her best efforts), it's unsurprising that she is now suddenly talking about her bf Joe way, way more than she ever did in the past. Her newest album features lyrics such as "...that's my man" (barf) but then there's like at least two songs which are so obviously about her semi public falling out with Karlie Kloss. (One is "Gold Rush" and the other is one of the deluxe album tracks in which she says some very specific things which can't really be interpreted to be about anyone but Karlie, based on what people in Taylor's close friend group have verified via Tweet likes in the past and such. Basically, allegedly, Karlie revealed personal details about Taylor's Life to her manager Scooter Braun. And also, potentially, told him that her masters were up for sale before anyone else knew. Two of Taylor's close friends liked tweets stating this. And Karlie has revealed herself to be a vapid social climber in recent years so it's unsurprising. I think Taylor and Karlie had an extremely close, extremely homoerotic friendship-- possibly an affair-- which would explain why sooo many songs of hers seem to allude to Karlie, even now, years after the falling out. CLEARLY Karlie strung her along or did something to break her heart, probably the same sort of stuff many bi and lesbian women have experienced from straight-but-bicurious or closeted girls in our youth. It's so obvious. This is long enough so I won't dig up specific lyrics right now or post gifs displaying the INSANE amount of chemistry that radiated off of Taylor and Karlie back when they went everywhere together. But it was obvious. (Especially when you to compare those photos/videos/gifs with ones of her out and about with past "boyfriends"....)


at 0:28 Chely Wright begins to describe a "big machine" of hiding (in the music industry/forced closeting)... which, again, is also the name of Taylor's old music label. Coincidentally.

Marie Monday 12-27-2020 03:54 AM

Hell yes I went on a binge of those vulture articles a few days ago, they're really addictive. You make a good point: the excessive amount of gay shipping/speculation among lgbt fans is a reaction against the aggressive 'straightening' of celebrities and culture. Some of the gay theorising is certainly aggressive too (or outright insane) but most of what I've seen is pretty gentle and harmless, and it's important to acknowledge where it comes from.

jwb 12-27-2020 06:30 AM

I don't follow Taylor Swift at all so I'm just guessing here but I would not be surprised if she likes all this speculation or at least the publicity behind it.

It reminds me of when Twilight came out and there were rumors the two stars were dating and they refused to comment on it. They know the speculation only helps them and generates free publicity.

Marie Monday 12-27-2020 06:40 AM

Sure, that's another subtle shade of queerbaiting.

goldendoodle 12-27-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2152363)
Hell yes I went on a binge of those vulture articles a few days ago, they're really addictive. You make a good point: the excessive amount of gay shipping/speculation among lgbt fans is a reaction against the aggressive 'straightening' of celebrities and culture. Some of the gay theorising is certainly aggressive too (or outright insane) but most of what I've seen is pretty gentle and harmless, and it's important to acknowledge where it comes from.

Yes I agree. I am always careful to not sound TOO unhinged when I'm just thinking out loud about these things and theorizing. I mentioned "kaylors" before-- they are the unhinged ones who 'ship' Karlie and Taylor aggressively, track their planes, and insist they are secretly married etc etc. But there's not too many of them nowadays seeing as Taylor and Karlie have not been seen publicly together in years now. Well, that, plus Karlie having not one but TWO weddings with Josh Kushner and now being pregnant. The biggest kaylor blog finally deleted just recently. (Yes, I did read the kaylor blogs occasionally because they were entertaining in their insanity)

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2152376)
I don't follow Taylor Swift at all so I'm just guessing here but I would not be surprised if she likes all this speculation or at least the publicity behind it.

I would have thought that too if not for certain actions of hers and the #nohomo comments of hers like I mentioned. Now I think she used to like the speculation, (why else would she have done that SUPER gay Vogue cover with Karlie, after all?) but then something we refer to as Kissgate happened (grainy video footage of a very drunk Taylor and Karlie possibly kissing at a concert began circulating on all the media outlets). I imagine that might of freaked her out a bit (since after that, she gradually stopped being publicly touchy feeling with Karlie)-- maybe the speculation became too real at that point. Prior to that I think she may in fact have been subtly encouraging it or even testing the waters for a possible coming out, due to the huge success of her album 1989 building her confidence and such. But now, I suspect she may eventually go the "lavender marriage" route and never come out publicly, as many other before her have done. (which is perfectly valid of course.)

jwb 12-27-2020 01:12 PM

What's valid about it? Seems like a bitch move imo

goldendoodle 12-27-2020 01:50 PM

Lavender marriages have been a thing since the old hollywood days. It works fine for some I'm sure.

jwb 12-27-2020 08:20 PM

I'm sure staying in the closet works

Capitalizing off the speculation and then later retreating to the closet can only be described as a lame ass bitch move.

goldendoodle 12-27-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2152454)
I'm sure staying in the closet works

Capitalizing off the speculation and then later retreating to the closet can only be described as a lame ass bitch move.

Oh I don't disagree with that. A looootttt of her LGB fans have pretty much reached their limit with her whole pattern of planting what seem like hints that she is gay/bi only to to be like "jk" later, seeming suddenly meek and afraid to say too much. Maybe she's attempting to do the sort of thing mentioned in these posts:

https://i.imgur.com/mh72UYN.png

https://i.imgur.com/gQDdfbO.png

(And then there's been so many little things like occasionally using female pronouns during a song during live performances, and writing a very gay sounding song called Dress and then, during the Reputation tour, dedicated the performance of Dress to Loie Fuller, of all people-- a lesbian dancer of yore.)

https://i.imgur.com/uF1LHsE.jpg

Dress lyrics:
Spoiler for .:
Our secret moments in your crowded room
They've got no idea about me and you
There is an indentation in the shape of you
Made your mark on me, a golden tattoo*
All of this silence and patience, pining in anticipation
My hands are shaking from holding back from you (ah, ah, ah)
All of this silence and patience, pining and desperately waiting
My hands are shaking from holding back from all this (ha, ha, ha, ha)
Say my name and everything just stops
I don't want you like a best friend
Only bought this dress so you could take it off
Take it off (ha, ha, ha)
Carve your name into my bedpost
'Cause I don't want you like a best friend
Only bought this dress so you could take it off
Take it off (ha, ha, ha, ha)

*it is possibly worth noting that Taylor and Karlie were once photographed arriving to Drake's birthday party with temporary golden star tattoos. Just saying.





Sure, any of these little things alone can be explained away, but still.

I do still think it's possible that she (while also capitalizing off all of it) was testing the waters for a possible coming out, as I mentioned. Some think that the whole drama surrounding Scooter Braun buying her masters & former record label made her not want to risk getting any more negative publicity (not that it was all negative, but I feel even the smallest amount drives her crazy) if, for instance, she came out as bi/"fluid" and her more conservative and immature fanbase felt weird about it. She has said before that she is terrified of making any of her fans feel alienated.

Quote from a 2015 Elle interview:
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"One thing I've gotten a little better at is the idea that I could do one thing wrong and all of this would completely disappear. Like, all of my work from my entire life, every album I've put out in the last 10 years, all of it would be wiped from the record and no one would appreciate what I've done that's good. Because you watch celebrity culture, and it happens, you know? Someone says something crazy in an interview or is caught stumbling out of a club drunk too many times when they're thought to be America's sweetheart. People can feel betrayed very easily by celebrities. And one thing that used to really scare me a lot is making my fans feels like they don't know me."
However now that she's branched out into Starbucks indie-pop type music and is no longer the huge superstar she once was, perhaps she'll become less neurotic about that over time. Another thing to consider is the fact that she might not want to out people she's dated/been suspected of dating, if any of them are also not straight but not publicly out. (Especially if the whole Karlie Kloss affair really happened. She is married and pregnant now, and likely wouldn't be too thrilled about Taylor Swift the famous pop star declaring that she's bisexual, leading others to then suspect that Karlie, too is bisexual/gay, as well as her husband who already has plenty of gay rumors. He's Josh Kushner, btw. Who also happens to be good friends with Karlie's manager and Taylor's nemesis, Scooter Braun. I've always felt like she hated for him for far more personal reasons other than just the ones she's stated about her masters and stuff.)

All of this is difficult to fully explain to someone who is not aware of all the Taylor Swift background lore (I have always been fascinated by her whole PR strategy for some reason, so I pay extra close attention when she starts doing something new/parading a new boyfriend around or whatever). But I assure you my opinions/hunches about all this are not based on nothing. It's just quite a lot to sum up is all. As I said, I think she is a deeply neurotic, ambitious horse girl type of person. Based on interviews and such I feel, as I said, that she's much more involved in her brand and image than most pop stars of her caliber. Or at least she has been since she left her old label, I suspect. In her netflix documentary there's a scene where she's sitting down with a bunch of people from her team, as well as her father. She is trying to express to them that she wants to speak out about some political thing-- she mentioned feeling "muzzled" in the past-- and they are all telling her "Noooo no it's a bad idea, just don't" which tells me that they'd react the same way if, for instance, she wanted to go public about being bisexual/gay (if she is not straight) or anything. Since, after all, for years she/her team cultivated an image of a relatable, super-accessible wholesome girl who made fans believe they were her personal friends so they were as emotionally invested as possible. She referred to her songs as diary entries about her real personal life, whether it was true or not. It's clear she regrets that now, seeing as she's going out of her way to say "These last two albums are based on FICTIONAL CHARACTERS!!!" as though it's some novel unheard of concept. Because she knows that the crazy swifties have this desperate need for her to be relatable to them, personally so that they can continue to project upon her and the dramatic love stories she sings about. Also worth noting is this bit that was in the booklet that came with the Reputation album:

https://i.imgur.com/Sg0GfrT.png

Remember, she's addressing diehard swifties here. She has to spell everything out for them. I found it odd that she emphasized this, however, considering her previous strategy of making her fans feel like they were her bffs and knew her soooo well. So whether she was ever going to really follow through with it (a coming out) or not, I do feel this marked the beginning of an attempt to gradually distance herself from parts of her original, homophobic/conservative fanbase who seem to NEED her to have a wholesome hetero relationship and love story going on at all times. (While at the same time ofc throwing them breadcrumbs here and there so they continue buying her albums, since she is clearly very much a capitalist after all. Yes, I know one can argue that that's all she's doing with her LGB fans, but I don't think that's the case based on the much more subtle-- yet obvious to those paying attention-- hints and clues and imagery and themes that have been evident in her body of work and performances and even commercials through the years. Whereas it's like she KNOWS that straight swifties are incredibly obtuse as well as gullible and will be thrilled with 1 single staged photo of her and a man holding hands.)

Also, once again, she has a song called "I Know Places" about having to hide a lover. "Well that's just about being famous and having to avoid the paprazzi!" swifties say. But she, like other celebrities obviously call the paprazzi when they wish to be photographed (as she used to be almost daily outside her apartment in NYC), duh. And this was in the performance of that song during the 1989 tour:

https://i.imgur.com/YQZxNvx.gif

..people jumping in and out of what appear to be closets. Yes, sure, could be nothing. Let's look at some of the lyrcis:

Quote:

You stand with your hand on my waist line (I I I I, I I I I)
It's a scene and we're out here in plain sight (I I I I, I I I I)
I can hear them whisper as we pass by (I I I I, I I I I)
It's a bad sign, bad sign (I I)
Something happens when everybody finds out (I I I I, I I I I)
See the vulture circling dark clouds (I I I I, I I I I)
A bit suspicious if you ask me. (Makes me think of some video footage I've seen of someone trying to film her and Karlie inside of a makeup store or cafe or whatever, or at an event. In one video, Karlie and Taylor had their arms around each other when suddenly Karlie's sister, who was next to them, subtly taps Karlie on the shoulder, and then Karlie and Taylor abruptly distance themselves from each other. Lots of little things like that. I only know of those particular things/videos due to having lurked on the blogs of a couple insane kaylors in the past.) She deliberately calls the paparazzi for staged walks with her "boyfriends" yet she's implying here that it's scandalous for her, a woman, to be dating a male human "in plain sight"? What? She's also constantly singing about forbidden love in some form of another. There's just a lot.

In conclusion, I am right. Here's some bonus gifs/pictures of her and Karlie looking very not straight (am using Karlie related stuff just because that whole period had by far the most overt, um, indicators) :

Spoiler for yes i know I sound insane and creepy:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/c011345f...trygiy_400.jpg
(compare this to how she usually looks when walking with a boyfriend-- hunched over, meek, miserable looking)

https://theswiftagency.files.wordpre...gue-kaylor.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UxCglCJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QEXbHPU.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...1/BH1zpc5A.jpg

Lyrics to "Gold Rush" from Evermore:

And the coastal town
We wandered 'round had never
Seen a love as pure as it

And then it fades into the gray of my day old tea
'Cause you know it could never be

Marie Monday 12-31-2020 05:24 PM

ok so I started reading up on these gaylor theories and I'm now in over my head. She definitely gives off a humongous amount of queer vibes. This photo omg (it's somehow more convincing to me than all the theories together)
https://i.redd.it/kp63e2ufw6t31.jpg

Psy-Fi 01-04-2021 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2153263)
This photo omg (it's somehow more convincing to me than all the theories together)
https://i.redd.it/kp63e2ufw6t31.jpg


^ Cool shirt! I also have one in the same color with the exact same design but mine's an original B.O.C. tour shirt from the 70's.

Anyway, as long as I'm here...

Greece names first openly gay minister

YorkeDaddy 01-04-2021 08:31 AM

Is there any other human that's ever lived that's had this much attention paid to their love life/sexuality? Quite a throne we've put Taylor on. For me she makes solid easy listening music that I like and that's it really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2153263)
ok so I started reading up on these gaylor theories and I'm now in over my head. She definitely gives off a humongous amount of queer vibes. This photo omg (it's somehow more convincing to me than all the theories together)
https://i.redd.it/kp63e2ufw6t31.jpg

Taylor's not really my type but this is definitely a hot ass pic of her

The Batlord 01-04-2021 11:14 AM

She has an 11/10 face with an 8/10 everything else.


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