It seems like you have basic platitudes you will just repeat instead of trying to explain the logic behind them

You might be right but explain to me where the distinction lies and why. You can mock it all you want but it is a fact that there are species that are actually more socially oriented than humans, including some insects already mentioned and iirc some species of moles or whatever. The term for these species is eusocial, which though we are socially oriented we are not eusocial.

I guess I just don't know how to explain something this obvious, I'm being totally honest

omfg can we have less lobsters and more queer **** here please

well the queer posters need to step up their game on not having a life

Now you know how I feel with all astrology ****.

yeah I know, astrology should have its own thread too if the topic flares up again

You know I'm sure there's an entire Subreddit full of stoners and grifters for that.

there's probably a subreddit for every single topic on this forum, yet here we are

Reddit is a miserable medium. I can’t even stand to try to read it. I think it’s because of the up button. Plus, like Facebook it’s cumbersome and inconvenient. Twitter is even worse. It seems the more worthless the medium is the more popular it becomes.

see: music

Um well. As for on-topic things. I think Taylor Swift is a deeply closeted/repressed bisexual (she hardly makes any sense as a human being otherwise) cosplaying as a Relatable Straight Girl due to terrifying levels of fame-induced neurosis/image obsession and also, ofc, desire to retain her homophobic normie fanbase because $$$. I have been saying this for years and years and I am correct.
Also some of her songs are just extremely gay. Will elaborate later if anyone wishes.

I don't know enough about her to get what you mean, but I'm intrigued. Please elaborate

I think she's just thirsty tbh.

That’s a very Hawkish approach to the discussion.

any woman who writes ballads might be gay because women are way better inspiration for that sorta thing

Hung out with a bunch of gay dudes last night. They were awesome.

OK so. I first started sensing ~vibes a long time ago when clicking absentmindedly through youtube videos. I'm not sure what it was exactly-- some sort of Taylor Swift Interview Compilation?-- and I noticed she had wayyy more chemistry with even a random female red carpet interviewer than she had with any of her alleged ""boyfriends"" from her Red/1989 days. But, that was just a minor thing I noticed. There was also the super gay song she wrote for her ex-bandmate, Emily or something, called Breathe I think? not only that, but T H I S video she made for her and posted on her old Myspace page a long time ago, featuring the lyrics "You have stolen my heart":



Heterosexual young women simply do not do such things. But, sure, it could be nothing, you could say. Straight women can have weirdly intense, borderline-romantic friendships at that age.

BUT THEN.

Karlie Kloss.

Something like 5 years ago, this one person I followed on tumblr (or twitter, idk) kept posting paparazzi pictures of Taylor out and about with her apparent new best friend, Karlie Kloss the supermodel. I thought, "OK, another PR friendship I assume, why are you posting this" but THEN this super gay Vogue photoshoot happened, featuring Taylor and Karlie looking very domestic in an RV and, also, walking through the desert in white dresses as though they both just got married after leaving their beards. I thought, Hmm, that's a bit odd; you'd think they wouldn't want to share the spotlight of a Vogue spread since they're both so fame hungry. Meanwhile, I'm sure, Buzzfeed and gossip magazines were writing gushy articles about how they're such good "gal pals". Just look at this:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/ba...19d9ce7ef5.jpg

Anyway I kept seeing increasingly blatantly (not imagined) gay photos/videos featuring this Karlie Kloss. Like an instagram post of some little road trip they took to Big Sur, captioned with a lyric from Taylor's song "You Are In Love." Oh, and then that blurry video came out of Taylor and Karlie kissing at a concert. I mean...

Granted, Taylor Swift may also be one of those tragically un self aware women who have a great deal of violently repressed love/longing for women but just tell themselves otherwise. Taylor seems to have a tendency to #NoHomo her gayer songs when it's totally unnecessary to do so. Also, if you're familiar with the formerly closeted country singer Chely Wright, one can't help but notice certain parallels. I watched a short interview clip of her once, where Chely was talking about how the industry forces pop and country stars to closet themselves; she referred to it as, of all things, a "big machine" which coincidentally is also the name of the music label Taylor Swift started out on. So I just wonder if she Knows Things.

So, yeah. It's a bunch of little things that have added up and become suspicious over the years. Her gayest songs, IMO are: Breathe, Dress, Seven, It's Nice To Have a Friend, So It Goes (which includes the lyrics "wear you like a necklace".. I mean), I Know Places, Dancing With Our Hands Tied, Gorgeous, Gold Rush, and ofc Betty (she has numerous songs that are "FrOm tHe gUy's pErSpEcTiVe" and her fans don't even blink 'cuz they're dumb)

Well, I am right!! It can't be helped.

I know the feeling.

That is quality material, Chio; whatever her sexual orientation is, that video is certainly gay as hell. And the good ol' guys perspective too.
Also, ouch to the comment about weirdly intense straight friendships. That **** is cute but so ****ing confusing.

Chio I am always down to read trashy celebrity gossip so if you want to make a thread about it you will have at least one reader.

You wouldn't listen to "Softly He Belches"?

Thanks! Believe it or not I was trying to be brief. I truly could write a Russian novel about so many frivolous things like this. (Or anything really. I need several penpals to get it all out of my system.)

And yes, those sort of friendships were always SO very vexing and exhausting at times.

I HAVE contemplated making a Taylor Swift thread for the sole purpose of psychoanalyzing her + speculating about her past alleged affairs with her female "bffs". Oh, there's also the wildly entertaining "Kaylor" fandom who staunchly believe that she and Karlie Kloss are secretly married. They're all completely insane, even to me.

I have a LOT of Taylor Swift related thoughts. Obviously I am a pop music fan in general. But I generally don't pay attention to the gossip surrounding most of the current pop girls as most of them don't seem terribly complex based solely on their whole ~vibe. Whereas Taylor Swift feels like this chaotic vortex of ambitious horse girl energy, repressed lesbianism/bisexuality, and awkwardness which is all barely contained by her extremely calculated, ever-changing PR strategy over the years (which I do believe she is actually actively involved with unlike many celebrities, with the help of her pretty redheaded publicist who she seems weirdly attached to)-- almost as if she's overcompensating for some deep dark secret perhaps???!! And NOW with her last 2 albums, Folklore and Evermore or whatever, (and her documentaries in which she tries so so very hard to seem natural and off the cuff when clearly she is anything but) you just know she probably gazes at herself in a golden mirror like some fairytale witch before her evening blood bath while telling herself "I am literally Joni Mitchell. I am the #1 Most Heterosexual Indie-Pop Songstress. I WILL win an EGOT."

I've always been sort of vaguely curious about the modern day celebrities who a.) have an inexplicably weird aura about them despite not being outwardly eccentric necessarily and b.) do NOT make themselves seem super accessible and hashtag relatable, (as most do nowadays) and instead maintain an aura of mystery and/or go out of their way to push an overly elaborate PR narrative about themselves/their life (Taylor Swift manages to do BOTH those things simultaneously) to a ridiculous degree as, again, it makes me wonder what they are trying to distract from. BUT I will stop here so as not to go too off-topic in this thread; if I feel compelled to share more Taylor Swift thoughts I GUESS I'll make a thread. And, obviously, I have lots of Britney Spears thoughts too, so.. OH AND OF COURSE early to mid 2000s gossip, particularly anything involving members of the Rock of Love/Daisy of Love seasons 1-2 cast (truly 2 of the most iconic unhinged reality shows of that era). I wonder if it should just be a general Pop Culture Gossip Thread so I can just go hog wild along with whoever else. As I do also love the incredibly stupid show Vanderpump Rules, partly due to the fact that some of them could easily be characters from IASIP.

Do you have thoughts on all the rumors of Dolly Parton being a lesbian?

Y E S

I was JUST telling my roommate about this the other day. I totally believe it. Lavender marriages have always been a thing in hollywood after all. Also apparently it's quite easy for her to blend in and go incognito when she's not in her Dolly Parton drag, so there's that.

Also lesbians (IMO) : Whitney Houston, Anna Nicole Smith, and Marilyn Monroe.

Please continue about all of it.

And I'm no Dolly historian but from what I've heard I believe it as well. I mean she might really just be an angel but her sheer embrace of the gay community while being a country artist is a bit unprecedented.

Obama is bi imo

Self contradicting elph self contradicts.

All of it you say??? Including the rest of my Taylor Swift thoughts? I will continue tomorrow, then. (I apologize to everyone else in advance)

Taylor Swift, too, since leaving her record label has been much more loudly supportive (as opposed to quietly donating without much fanfare, as she did in her earlier years) of the gay community/LGBT issues. She was even rightfully accused of queerbaiting during the Lover era after she abruptly started throwing a ton of gay imagery in everything (her wardrobe, music videos, promo videos etc) only to then have yet another panicked #NoHomo moment in a magazine interview. This is a distinct pattern she has. I believe there is even a video clip (filmed during the making of that dreadful music video for "Me") of her saying that the 3 things she'd choose to describe her as a a person would be cowboy boots, GAY PRIDE, and .. forgot the last thing, but still. She said this out loud, rather nonchalantly. But anyway I'll continue with that tomorrow, after I talk about Dolly and Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith (and compulsory heterosexuality and the closeted bisexual experience and how it can lead one to develop a weird alternate persona for the sole purpose of enduring men while protecting your actual core self/cosplaying as a straight woman.. all the while being totally emotionally detached from it all and sexually dead/bored to death even if you seem to be some kind of nympho on the surface. or something. I haven't actually ever managed to properly articulate that whole thing yet so it probably won't make much sense. As you can see I'm TOTALLY not just wildly projecting onto these famous women at all!!! *sweats* )

Oh and Paris Hilton is gay too. Sensed major gay or bisexual vibes in her documentary, especially when she reunited with her "best friend" from one of the abusive Troubled Teen schools her parents sent her to.

I totally agree tbh imo.

https://i.imgur.com/X4oizeN.jpg

Idk how strong your video editing skills but you definitely have enough material on this subject for a dope video essay youtube channel.

@Chio This DEFINITELY needs its own elaborate thread, I love it. Your really nailed Taylor Swift with the ambitious horse girl comment, her strange aura explains why I've been intrigued by her even without being into her music. Oh and I absolutely will explain your theories to my Taylor Swift obsessed friend, he needs to know about this

Oh also, any thoughts about the uncanny gay energy of Carly Rae Jepsen's music? I have no idea about her as a person (the only things I know about her are the music and memery) but her music just nails the Gay Angst and Longing as if it's channelling some queer mystery source.

Queerbait, all of it.

All recorded music ever, even the gay artists.

All. Queerbait.

OK I know I said I would unload ALL my thoughts and theories today but seasonal depression decided that no, I will not. But @Bat as for Dolly, I'm no Dolly Parton historian either but for now I can at least link you to this entertaining thread on a lesbian gossip site about the Dolly rumors: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/l_an...51218-s10.html



If you say so! Like most people, I've planned countless video essays in my head while doing the dishes or showering, however I do not have ANY video editing skills beyond basic Windows Movie Maker stuff (mainly because I haven't edited any videos at all period in several years despite always going on and on about needing to make Gargoyles AMVs and neural net generated Hallmark christmas movies and so on etc)
Also I'm a bit lazy, or rather, I don't know if I could be bothered to make such a video look very polished and nice when I could instead simply use the equivalent of a sock puppet + bad goofy edits. I definitely would not want my face in it or anywhere on youtube unless I were in some elaborate costume (I don't know why I have these rules, I simply do).

Am I slightly afraid of Taylor Swift's beautiful publicist Tree Paine personally coming to my house and executing me as a result of said future video essay? Yes. Do I still want to attempt to make a stop-motion film in the style of Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story about closeted burgeoning country music stars including Taylor Swift until my roommates drag me out of my room/film set to put me in the psych ward? Yes.

I have never paid attention to the lyrics of her songs despite liking her music a lot ("Store" is so underrated) but I definitely know what you mean. Weirdly I get pretty normal straight vibes from Carly as a person, and yet, there is indeed an undercurrent of Gay Angst and Longing in her music! And, in contrast.. random example, but, Selena Gomez (along with Miley and Demi) gives me strong lesbian/gay-leaning bisexual vibes yet her music is aggressively heterosexual to my ears. So, yeah. Huh.

Oh yes, that's puzzling
The Dolly Parton thread makes me feel conflicted because on the one hand I have some ethical objections to it (re: discussion earlier in this thread etc.) but also it's just too fascinating. The idea of some kind of queer shadow realm behind the straight country/pop music facade is like gay catnip to me

Just watching the third season of Star Trek Discovery, when and how did this show become one of the queerest on TV? Not only do they have at least 3 gay regulars, they just casually introduced a non-binary person as a regular as well. Way to go Star Trek!

I mean Star Trek had some really terrible nonsense early on, so they had to make up for that later.