The Batlord

1.) I've heard plenty of Dream Theater. It's not wank because it isn't heavy enough, it's wank because it's technical for the sake of being technical at the expense of the songs.

2.) If you knew of my extreme love of cheesy power metal then you wouldn't say that I need my metal to be heavy. Blind Guardian and Angra are plenty complex, and even pseudo-proggy at times, but I worship them.

Oh god, the title track is the worst thing about that album. The definition of boring wank.

None of that really goes above hard rock status. I have heard Hemispheres, and while it rocks hard as a bitch, I just don't think it's truly metal. Proto-metal perhaps (like Zeppelin and Deep Purple), but we've already done a proto-metal battle. And is Rush's first album even really prog?

Don't get all defensive. People hate bands they dislike immensely. That's what subjective musical opinion is about. If I just don't get Dream Theater, then I'd say you also just don't get Celtic Frost.

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TechnicLePanther

I wasn't trying to be defensive, my actual goal was to hold up a white flag.
By the way, I'm in the interesting position that if I listen to something a few times, I'll be hooked pretty much no matter what. The reason I was looking at the bad side of Celtic Frost is because I had to. At this point in the competition, I can't look for redeeming factors, so instead, I'm looking for absolutely anything I don't like about the album. I just don't like Celtic Frost as much, for whatever reason.

Also, I don't think making a song more technically involved necessarily makes it worse. In fact, people usually think of it the opposite way. But whatever, to each their own.

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Chula Vista

Agreed. If you have the chops, use them.

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The Batlord

I don't think being technical makes music worse, anymore than I think simplicity is necessarily better. I just can't stand pointless wankery like Dream Theater or Yngwie Malmsteen.

Nah. Do whatever serves the music. If you can make a guitar stand on its head, but the kind of music you're making doesn't require technical proficiency or complexity, then you're just stroking your ego rather than being creative. The members of Bad Brains were in a jazz fusion band before becoming a hardcore punk band, and they didn't make prog punk just cause they could.

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Chula Vista

How about this?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

It's when technicality is the only thing that a song has going for it when it becomes very likely that the song is ****e.

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Chula Vista

Since you've never personally suffered this issue, why do you comment?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

The Batlord

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Frownland

Nah I've listened to Dream Theater and their kind enough to know.

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Chula Vista

Yet.... worships Burzem.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”