Maybe, but he will have to win it.

Kaepernick was good enough to throw 4 TDs and beat the Patriots, so I don't really understand the hate. He was drafted with every intention of taking over, so Harbaugh obviously saw something in him, and it just happens to be the case that he's got the hot hand right now. I think the 9ers want someone who can extend plays with his mobility, and Kaepernick does that. He also doesn't try to force passes, and has only thrown 2 picks all year.

I think the one thing to be said is that he doesn't really score very many TDs with his arm, he only has 7, 4 of them against a terrible Patriots defense last week. He's pretty efficient though, and he does have some rushing TDs.

No actually I said I really have no reasons for not liking him other than the way he got his starting QB position. Am I required to have to provide legitimate reasons for not liking someone in the NFL? Is this not America where I reserve the right to not like someone simply for the sake of not liking them? You cant convince me to like the dude at this moment in time reguardless of any statistics or reasons you feel should succsessfully convert me over to his bandwagon. I never liked Farve either so go ahead and start telling me how great he was and I'll continue not liking him either no matter what you say. I know everything that Kaepersnatch has done since he's been the starter I watch pretty much every single game of the teams I admire. He also has the added benefit of being on one if not the best team in football. I'm not saying the dude is a flop but your making him sound like the best thing since sliced bread. So he's won 5 games and beat the Patriots (barely) in New England. The Pats usually have to score 40 freaking points a game to win anyway if that says anything about they're deffense. Theres still a lot of football left for the 9ers and this dude to play and the most important being in the post season. People said the same things about Romo when he started QBing for the Cowboys and look where we are however many years later. If you wanna bet the farm on a unproven rookie go ahead and do it but what I'm saying is lets see how this thing plays out before we start crowning him the next Tom Brady.

You not liking him is based on the logical fallacy that he's being crowned the next Tom Brady. I haven't even heard of him being compared to Russell Wilson, let alone Tom Brady hahaha.

What don't you like about the guy? He got his job because of his coaches decision? Brett Favre gives you every reason in the world to dislike him, but Kaepernick really doesn't even have a image, he's just a kid with a decent arm who can extend plays.

You just sounds like you're trying too hard to dislike the guy.

Fair enough I've been called a lot worse and in a lot of cases deservingly so. However it just so happens in this case I just dont like the guy. Why do I have to like him? Why? Is there a religion I'm suppose to be a part of as well that I'm not aware of? Yes all of the praise this guy is getting is ridiculous for no more than he has accomplished.(hence the Brady comparison) Maybe it hasn't been said out right but thats the way people are making him sound. For the team he is on I would say anything less than what he has done would be a disappointment. He hasn't let them down and thats all he has really done imo. Alex Smith was doing the same thing before he got his concussion. This whole debate or whatever you want to call it started because I called him Kaeperscratch. Boo whanny hoo hoo. You know how many people mock the Cowboys and how many times I hear Romo called Tony Homo? Big freakin deal man, put on a little thicker skin and get off Kaepersnatches jock for a minute. The dude hasn't won a playoff game or a super bowl yet or set any niner franchise TD throwing records or anything of great significance. Again maybe the dude will turn out to be a somebody in the NFL, but until he has more than 5 games under his belt don't expect me to sponsor or be in his entourage of Keaperpalooza fans.

You are always entitled to your opinion. I'm searching to find out why you hate the guy, but it seems like you just simply do. I won't pretend I'm above hate. I can't stand Mark Sanchez, I think he's a douchebag. Regardless, I have several reasons, most of them being because I hate the Jets, and their fans are the worst.

I just haven't seen much to hate in Kapernick. He's not a first rounder, I've never heard about any douchey behavior, or being a Favre-esque drama whore.

he's just not a leader, you can tell. His tattoo's, he throws the ball way too hard, the whole offense is just a mess with him on the field.

I just dont like the way he got the QB job regaurdless of it not being his decision, and all the hype, and praise this guy gets from the media, and 9er fans. Dont get me wrong I dont HATE the guy, I just dont feel like he is deserving of being played up as much as he is. As far as Farve goes I just never really liked him either, and it didn't have much to do with who he was off the field or his pre maddona like behavior. I just always thought he was over rated as well, and got more credit than he deserved. Off the field antics or accusations or a "its all about me attitude" wont deter me from liking an athlete, but over hyping one after only 5 game will. I was a Terrel Owens fan for christ sake and still am. I love Randy Moss in spite of all the b.s. he has been a part of through the years. I haven't seen Kaeperscratch behave in a manner anywhere close to that, and if he did I wouldn't care. It would not influence me not to like him, but I just want to see how things unfold in the playoffs before I'm starting him in the pro bowl. Yes I know nobody said he's pro bowl material its just an example.

you have a point blooz

alex smith last post season

2 games
5 tds/ 0 picks/ 495 yards (not great but it is run heavy team)

1. Kaepernick is not a rookie.
2. You have not provided any actual reason why you don't like the guy. The only "reason" you gave was because of how you didn't like how Jim Harbaugh handed him the starting job. That's fine. It's a topic of much dispute, but hate on Harbaugh for that, not Kaepernick. What was Kaepernick supposed to do? The kid worked his whole life to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. He's not going to give that up because Alex was playing well.
3. I'm not trying to insist that you like Colin Kaepernick. That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get an answer out of you on why you don't like him. I'm sorry man, but "I just don't like him" is not only a bad excuse for not liking somebody but it's also ****ing boring to read about on a message board. If you saw somebody in the music section saying "I don't like Pink Floyd" and he never gave an actual reason but rather said "well I just don't like them" you'd wish they'd stop posting...at least in that thread about that particular subject.
4. This may sound kind of douche-y and I'm sorry but not everybody's opinions are correct. I'll respect your opinion but I'll also reserve the right to call it stupid. You're right, Kaepernick is not Tom Brady. He is not a top ten quarterback and anybody who says he is is wrong. He is however putting together a very impressive start to his career. Don't like stats? Okay. Look at his games. I could count the amount of actual mistakes he's made on one hand through five games. He does everything Alex did except he takes it a step further by having a rocket of an arm and the speed of a wide receiver. That is why Alex isn't starting anymore. Jim made a decision for the better of the team and I agree. To me for somebody to say he hasn't been impressive just means that person doesn't know much about football. Sorry man, it's just my opinion. If I told you that Mark Sanchez impressed me Monday night would you laugh or respect my thought? I'd laugh right in my face because nobody could possibly think that Sanchez was impressive just how I actually can't think of why somebody could hate Kaepernick.

By the way, I'm a die hard 49er fan. It may be bias what I just said, but I'm also an NFL fan. I feel like my opinion would not change if I were a fan of any other team

I thought you were just being funny when you were talking about his tattoo's, but apparently there has been some controversy over them. Btw his tattoo's have nothing to do with my reasons for not liking him just now.

Well he played a good game against one of the toughest opponents he will ever face. He watched.his lead disappear, and threw a strike to put the crowd in their place. This is very impressive to me, and I do agree he is not a proven NFL QB. Alex Smith was very reliable for the 49ers, and it could ejd up being a mistake down the road, but I'll give him credit where it's due. He was a big part of the 49ers doing what so few have in the last 10 years: he helped them beat the Patriots at Gillette.

But yeah, I can see you not being taken by the hype, you shouldn't, but at least he's earning his hype, unlike Tim Tebow, who was completing 42% of his passes.

If you care to scroll through some of my previous postings in predicting outcomes of NFL games be my guest. I think you'll find that I have a good grasp on football, and understanding of the game. Yes your right Kaeperscratch isnt a rookie, but in another since he is a rookie. He hasn't started an NFL game up until this season I'm aware of. Romo has broken countless Cowboy franchise records and surpassed Aikman and Staubach in countless areas of the game statisticly except for one. He has one playoff win and no super bowl rings. Some would call his other accomplishments impressive, and it maybe for fantasy league owners. For me I have a hard time seeing whats so impressive about it. Granted Kaeperscratch has yet to have gotten the oppurtunity to win any so its not really fair to lay that out there, but thats what I'm getting at. I'm waiting till then before I'm calling him impressive. Cause if they get to the playoff's and lose in the first round is what he did previous to that game still really all that impressive? Really? If it is to you then ok and have fun with that but to me the QB position is one thats defined by playoff wins, and super bowl rings, and the more you have the more your validating your eliteness. As far as the Sanchez comparison I dont care for Sanchez all that much, but do you think Kaeperscratch could turn that sqaud around? Sanchez on the niners would probaly have a winning record too cause the niners are THAT good of a team. Even with him fumbling snaps and throwing pics. I've loved football since I was old enough to know what football was, and one thing I've learned is a winning record during the regular season means squat in the post season. Kaps been given the benefit of starting out on a great team with a good coach and that sets the stage for great potential. What he does with it in the post season has yet to be seen but that will ultimatley define his career. Maybe he comes up short this year but wins next year. If so good for him, and maybe he wins it all this year and gets endorsments out the ass and a huge contract. Even better and I'll give all credit due to him at that time. Till then I'm not, and maybe I should dislike Harbaugh and not him for the way he got his job. It just doesn't sit well with me but I guess thats the game.

Lamicheal James had a 62 yard kick return that set up the pass thrown to Crabtree did he not? And Crabtrees yards after the catch got him the touchdown that won the game.

Yes Tebow is another over hyped QB by ESPN. I hope he is a starter next year somewhere and fails miserably so I dont have to hear about how great he is all off season and during.

Now you're just splitting hairs. I said he had a part of it, possibly the most important part of any other player. The QB is the guy who's responsible for nearly every play, and I think that's enough to give him some credit for winning in NE.

I didn't say he was the only guy responsible, obviously the return set it up, and Crabtree delivered on his end. Every player involved in a play shares a certain amount of responsibility, but the QB is either going to deliver or he is going to be a goat. Kaepernick delivered as much as anyone on that GW drive.

Do you he could take the niners completly on his back and come back from a 28 point deficit to tie the game?

No, but he's never been compared to Tom Brady in this discussion, so that's a moot point if there even was one being made.

Point is, what you might consider impressive I may not. I think Bradys efforts even in loss were more impressive than what Kaeperscratch did in winning. Im just not impressed with the dude, and have given all the reasons I'm going to, or need to give.

Let's be honest, that last pass to Crabtree wasn't telling of anything. The pass was actually underthrown.

I wouldn't expect anything less, as you've gone from hating him to being unimpressed. You don't need to like him, and you don't need to be impressed. I'm personally impressed with that game in particular, 4 TDs any way you want to paint it is impressive. I can't remember the last time I wasn't impressed by 4 TDs and a win on the road, so it's difficult to start now.

If anything, the fact that it was underthrown gives a guy like Crabtree an even greater chance. He's slow for a WR, with great jump ball and after the catch ability. That's his bread and butter.

Even being a bad throw, it was a good decision, and I give him credit. Even Tom Brady has underthrown a receiver.

Kind of funny to have to defend a guy throwing 4tds in a game. Colin looks like the makings of a good qb, i think blooz's point that the 9ers are setup to win games with even an average qb is a good one, but what great qb in history didn;t have weapons to work with to achieve greatness.

Ughh...If you dont mind show me where I ever said I hate this guy? Cause I dont remember saying that myself. I said I dont like the guy.
Second Kap had 4 fumbles from under center, and not one red zone td. In fact I remember him trying to force the ball a couple times in the red zone. The only points they scored in the red zone came off a Kaeperscratch fumble which Gore saved his sorry ass by running it in from 9 yards out if I remember correctly. Only you dont get credit for the TD when its scored off a fumble recovery correct me if I'm wrong here. So one TD off a fumble that was HIS fault and he gets saved. Then another TD at the end of the game that was set up by a 60 some odd yard kick return by Lamicheal James, and a short dump off to Crabtree who I think ran for more yards than the pass was long.
The other two were beyond the red zone as well and while they may look impressive to you, luckys what comes to my mind. As I've mentioned before if Kaeperscratch had done any less than what he's done as a starter he would be a disappointment, but what he has done isn't impressive to me. I'd like to see him be on the Colts, and be as lucky as he is in San Fran. I'm still leaving Kap the bebefit of the doubt that he might possibly end up being a stud in this league by winning some playoff games with a solid performance. Potentially maybe even a super bowl. The only reason my dislike could possibly turn to hate is fan boys of his over hyping his sub par play to the point of ridiculousness.


In other news Megatron has a chance at breaking Jerry Rices record for receiving yards in a season. So there maybe a chance for two long lasting records to be broken this year. Dickerson has said that he doesnt want his record to be broken, and Rice being the guy he is stated he doest want it either. But he'll be the first to congratulate him if he does.

I'm just saying he's played well enough that people should get off his sack like he's Tim Tebow.

He actually can pass, and he plays pretty smart. Maybe it is his team and the scheme or whatever, but you always need a little help from your guys. I've heard these lame "QB is product of..." arguments so many times that I've realized there's no point trying to debate, so it's honestly just tiring every time I see something like that. I could talk all day about how Montana and Young were the product of Rice and the WCO. I could say Culpepper was obviously the product of Moss, as he was never quite as good without him. But even if you have a good receiver or two, aren't you as a QB still the guy making him look good?

I saw an interview with Dickerson on NFL NETWORK. He said hes a huge fan of AP and he'd be happy for him if he broke the record. Something tells me he wouldn't be though. Rice I think being the perfectionist he is would be appreciative of anyone who could touch that milestone.

Where do you even come up with this? Sub-par play? He's been one of the most efficient QBs in the league.

I'm not even going to address that crap about luck and having only one red zone TD, because luck is part of every successful QB. Luck that you found a guy so wide open because the defense.was out of position, or called the wrong coverage.

4 fumbles is bad, but they got a couple of those back, and they just can't be helped sometimes. INTs are much worse, because almost all of them are the product of poor-decision-making.

Yes the QB still has to execute, but given the core of receivers that he is surrounded with if he didn't it would be a shame. Moss, Davis, Crabtree etc..
I admire your persistance, but nothing you can say is going to change my mind nor am I changing yours. You want to be a Kaeperscratch fan go ahead good for you, but I'm not. I'm agreeing to disagree and not waste anymore time arguing over a 5 game world champion. Best of luck to Kaeperscratch
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I already told you it's fine to dislike the guy, but you keep on trying to make points of why he isn't good, even though you've been cut down every time you keep going back to the cop-out that you don't like him.

Make some points that can actually be discussed and have substance and I'd respect your argument a little more.

I'm not a Kaepernick fan by any means, I just think he's playing at a higher level than you've given him credit for. And no you don't have to give him credit, but if it's just too soon in his career for you to give him credit, all you have to do is say that instead of trying to argue all of these absurd points.

And yes, agree to disagree. :thumb:

Thank you for watching this episode of MB PTI. Whats next on the debate agenda?

QB controversy in Washington? :D

You can respond to this or not but I want to get my last two cents in before we call it a day.

I could honestly respond to any one of your points in your last big response on Kaepernick but I'll just go with two of them. I'm not going to even go into the whole "he's lucky" thing. That's just unbelievably retarded.

1. What is the difference whether or not his touchdown passes came in the redzone? Seriously? It's not a good touchdown pass unless it's in the redzone? I don't understand what you're trying to say with that one.

2. You keep mentioning the fact that he hasn't won any playoff games or superbowls. Okay, I agree that winning playoff games are very important and that winning a superbowl is even more so. Do you know how many starting quarterbacks have won a superbowl? Six. Brady, Brees, Rogers, Mannings, and Big Ben. Let's see who has won playoff games. Actually lets' name a starting quarterback that won a game last year. TJ Yates. You see? It isn't so black and white about what a team does in the playoffs. Rex Grossman brought a team to the superbowl. I wouldn't call Yates or Grossman impressive. Obviously kaep hasn't has the chance to make it to the playoffs yet. Neither has Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, and RG3. Are they not impressive to you?

That's actually a question I'd like answered. Do you find those three impressive?

Because I'm bored I'll humor you, and also because this is becoming amusing to me. This whole argument started because you didn't like me calling him Kaeperscratch yes? After stating initially the main reason of why I didn't like the guy you still seemed hungary for a deeper more meaningful reason. Do you know that I dont like some people simply because their ugly? I dont need anymore reason than that not to like someone, but that just seems unfathomable to some I guess. So, being as I actually wasn't impressed with Sunday nights game I figured I may as well state why I'm not cause at the moment I have nothing better going on. So I did, and its still a puzzling mystery because my reasons just aren't adding up to Kaeperscratch fans. What you all fail to realise is I dont have on any rose colored glasses. I'm sure when some people watch this guy play they see angel wings, and a halo above this guys head throwing a golden football as Gabriel sounds the trumpet. What is it with this guy anyway? Out of all the players in the league, and all the discussons you all pick Colin freakin Kaeperscratch to make such a fuss about? Im intrigued as to why actually cause I'm just not seeing it, and maybe its just utter stubborness at this point. Is Andrew Luck impressive to me..yes he is I like Luck. Is RG3 impressive to me....yeah I like him too. Is Colin Kaeperscratch impressive? After all of this I'll probaly never find anything he does impressive short of curing cancer just on principal alone. Andrew Luck drafted to the Colts who were suppose to be in a rebuilding year. What he's done yes impressive. Rg3 drafted to the Redskins, and I dont think I need an elaborate on what kind of team they were last year. So what he's done for them this year impressive. Now I know this is where your going to say, but they haven't won a playoff game or super bowl right? So how do you find them impressive and not Kap? Right? Again, with the coaching staff, and squad the niners have put together anything short of at least one playoff win is a wasted season. Babe Laughenberg should be able to win regular season games with the amount of talent, and coaching that the niners have aquired. Luck or Rg3 having the kind of year that they are having on a team as well built as the niners wouldn't be that impressive either. If you can just find a way to not lose the game for SanFran than you can just about bet the rest of the team is good enough to pick up your slack. I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense to you or anyone else, and really this is just so to give you some logical reason why I choose not to like him. I already had all the reason I was ever going to need.

Well that being said and just to end this "discussion" I'm just going to conclude that you're incredibly stubborn and that you wouldn't admit defeat if you had a gun to your head. I'll just be over here with the logical people and you can be over there hating apples because they're red and calling toyotas bad cars cause they're made by Asians.

If it makes you feel any better I actually found this last post of yours pretty funny. :p:

If you want to start a different discussion. What do you think about Sundays Seahawks vs Niners game? Care to speculate on that?

I'm unbelievably stoked for this Vikings game, but I know that if we lose I'll be miserable for a few days at least, because there's no way in hell we get the spot without winning out. Also, Peterson's chase for 2,105 is interesting. If he runs over the Texans for about 150, he will definitely get the record IMO.

Also, if we beat Houston, I think that we'll take the Packers at home.. What's ****ed is that we could pull it off and still not make the POs since there are a few teams that hold tiebreakers over us.

i like that they're giving it a 110% though

Going to be a great defensive game. Expect low scoring.

Ponder just needs to throw a completion and they're golden.

I think the question on everybodys mind after this week long Kaeperscratch debate. Is who's going to win on Sunday at Century Link Stadium? Two in a row on the road for the Niners or do they fall victim of the 12th man and the wrath of Russel Wilsonpalooza? I think the key is for Gore to have another good game to keep that D of Seattles honest. Cause if they are able to just pin their ears back and go after Kap like a rabid dog, its going to be a long day. That along with the struggles of trying to silence the crowd and call plays at the line of scrimmage is going to be a chore. I'm interested to see how resiliant the Niners can be after coming off a big win for them in Foxboro. Sometimes a team can get overly confindent and let it get the best of them in the following game. Assuming the Niners run game has the same kind of luck they did the last time against Seattle then I wouldn't see much cause for concern. I dont think Wilson can exploit the D in a Brady like fashion, but then again I'm sure he and the rest of them watched plenty of game film this week. Still this is a tough one to call and could very easily go either way imo. I'll think on it some more before I say who I think will come out the winner.