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Old 03-24-2014, 06:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I brought up Bowie because he was the first last year to drop his album online without telling anybody despite what the media said about Beyonce being the first.

He did not get nearly as much acclaim and credit as Beyonce when he did it and he did it before her.
Beyonce didn't release any singles at all before her album dropped though and Bowie did so still a bad comparison.
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Bowie gets far more critical acclaim than Beyoncé anyway so it's kind of pointless.

Which album did you prefer RT?
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Beyonce didn't release any singles at all before her album dropped though and Bowie did so still a bad comparison.


Beyonce's team did leak two singles last summer.



She leaked Bow Down B%$^& and it received negative reviews. She renamed it "Flawless" on her new album because of the negative feedback she received from the original title of the song.

This was all over the news, couldn't miss it. They were playing the song on the radio to.



They also leaked Grown Woman which also appeared in her Pepsi Ad commercial. She also showcased the song on her tour.



They purposely leaked those songs to see the public reaction. When her team realized those singles were not strong to stand alone by themselves they copied David Bowies idea.

Bowie dropped his album without any promotion and without telling anybody. He did not leak any of his songs before he did that.
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Old 03-24-2014, 09:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Bowie dropped his album without any promotion and without telling anybody. He did not leak any of his songs before he did that.
Gonna go ahead and re-quote Urban's post because I guess you didn't see it or chose to ignore it but that's not even remotely true.

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I have no idea what you're trying to say here but if you're implying that Bowie released nothing before The Next Day came out you'd be wrong.

Where Are We Now? was released in December 2012 & The Stars (Are Out Tonight) was released in Feburary 2013 as singles before The Next Day was released in March 2013.
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That doesn't even make sense. An album got rave reviews over how it was released? You do know that reviews are actually based off of the music that are on albums right?

You honestly believe all music reviews are strictly based on the music and NOTHING else?


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You may not like Beyonce because of whatever personal issues you have with her
I don't have any personal issues with her because I don't know her personally.

I just think she is outrageously overrated and makes bland music.


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but the album was worth all the reviews that it did get.
Actually the album is not.

I listened to the entire album and the album is not a 9/10 or 5/5 stars like all the critics were giving that album.


Rihanna and Lady Gaga make the same type of music and have the same type of lyrics but they get poor reviews while they gave that Beyonce album 5/5 stars for the same music they make?


They gave her those ratings because it was alot of hype around the way she released it not because it was such a innovative album.



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I'm slightly offended that you put Kelis on the same level as Janelle Monae. You should be ashamed of that.
I did not place her on the same level as Janelle. I said female artists like Janelle and Kelis are more talented and more interesting... and they are.

Kelis has a great discography and her new album is fire.


She does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself.

You obviously have not listened to her entire discography or watched her videos.


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People wouldn't have spent their money on an album that was as **** as you are pretending it is. She got around 600,000 dollars worth of digital sales in three days.
Do you understand how marketing works?

Her team dropped that album with flashy videos attached to the songs during Christmas time. She did it after Lady Gaga released her album, after Justin released his album, after Katy Perry released her album and so forth.

Her team dropped the album without telling anybody which garnered hype around her release. Those initial sales were because of the way she dropped it. Not to mention you had to buy the album before actually listening to the songs. Whoever brought the album were bamboozled by a PR tactic. I know some people who got it that regret getting it because they said she was trying to hard and the songs sucked.


No one doesn't talk about that album and the sells have dropped. Who still talks about that album or the songs? It has just been what 3 1/2 months since its released and it has already been old news.


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XO, Pretty Hurts, Drunk In Love, Partition and Flawless are all single worthy tracks. Only three out of the five I have named have been singles so far but I'm sure she'll probably make the track with Drake be a single even though it's not the best song imo.
She leaked flawless over the summer and she received negative reviews. She also received negative reviews for that stupid Drunk in Love song where she disrespects Tina Turner. I would sue Jay Z and Beyonce if I was Tina Turner. Those other singles are not single worthy and I notice folks talked more about how naked she was in the videos versus the quality of the actual songs.


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You should definitely give it a try and see how you feel about it. She mixes a lot of different sub genres on the album. Some retro soul, alternative R&B, synth pop, it is a bit all over.
I did and I don't care for the album. I think she tries to hard, is shallow and follows trends. She was copying Lady Gaga and Rihanna all on this album and in the videos. At this point in her career, she should not be stripping half naked in her videos and her lyrics could be more maturer.
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Okay so I checked and Urban is right.


David Bowie did release those two songs as digital singles before releasing his digital album.

HOWEVER,

I still stand by my opinion.

David Bowie was the first to drop his digital album with ZERO commercial promotion or prior promotion.

David Bowie did not have ANY prior promotion before releasing those singles unlike Beyonce who had the Super Bowl, Pepsi Ad commercial, Inauguration singing showcase before she dropped her album.

It had been over decade since David Bowie released an album.

David Bowie released those singles as music videos and did not tell anyone. He also did not leak those singles to test the waters. He just went out and released those songs out of no where unlike Beyonce's team who tested the strength of her songs by leaking them before coming up with that PR tactic to release the album all at once with music videos.

David Bowie is the KANG and the first to do it. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it! lol

He deserved more props for doing it because he did not have all that commercial saturated exposure like Beyonce did and his album still was successful.

He was the first to do it
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Rihanna and Lady Gaga make the same type of music and have the same type of lyrics but they get poor reviews while they gave that Beyonce album 5/5 stars for the same music they make?
The only similarities between those artists that you listed is that you don't like any of them.

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They gave her those ratings because it was alot of hype around the way she released it not because it was such a innovative album.
They had to listen to the album and they gave her those ratings based off of the songs on the album but keep telling yourself that it was only because of the way it was released.

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I did not place her on the same level as Janelle. I said female artists like Janelle and Kelis are more talented and more interesting... and they are.
You might not have put her on the same level as Janelle but to even include her in the same sentence and say some wild crap like she's more talented and interesting is so way off base but that's subjective so whatever. You can feel that way but I don't agree one bit!


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She does a better Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga does herself.
Highly doubt that.

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You obviously have not listened to her entire discography or watched her videos.
I'm not going to listen to her entire discography because Kelis isn't good like that and isn't worth my time. I've heard enough from her and I find most of her material boring.

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Do you understand how marketing works?

Her team dropped that album with flashy videos attached to the songs during Christmas time. She did it after Lady Gaga released her album, after Justin released his album, after Katy Perry released her album and so forth.
She would have still gotten the same sales regardless of her competition.

Her team dropped the album without telling anybody which garnered hype around her release. Those initial sales were because of the way she dropped it. Not to mention you had to buy the album before actually listening to the songs. Whoever brought the album were bamboozled by a PR tactic. I know some people who got it that regret getting it because they said she was trying to hard and the songs sucked.[/QUOTE]

If that's the case that the album sucked so badly and people weren't able to hear it from their friends that already bought it and it spread worth of mouth that people actually enjoyed it. Why is it that David Bowie's sales barely made 100k using the same tactic? Since you want to chalk it up to only the way it was distributed and nothing else.

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No one doesn't talk about that album and the sells have dropped. Who still talks about that album or the songs? It has just been what 3 1/2 months since its released and it has already been old news.
That's fine no one you know in your small circle doesn't talk about it but it's still been talked about regardless of what you think.


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I did and I don't care for the album. I think she tries to hard, is shallow and follows trends. She was copying Lady Gaga and Rihanna all on this album and in the videos. At this point in her career, she should not be stripping half naked in her videos and her lyrics could be more maturer.
I wasn't talking to you with that last statement. that was for the OP. The reason I say you have a personal issue with her is because you've been slagging off Beyonce for what seems like forever. Even before she released her last album. I get it you don't like her, Lady Gaga, Rihanna or Jay-Z. Why shouldn't she be proud of her body? Stripping naked isn't something to be ashamed of. It sounds like you are slut shaming her and she's in a monogamous relationship with a child of her own.
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The only similarities between those artists that you listed is that you don't like any of them.
No I was making a point.


Why is it okay for Beyonce to act like a slut in her videos but Miley Cyrus , Lady Gaga and Rihanna get bashed for it?

Why is it okay for Beyonce to Make fun of Tina Turner's abusive marriage to Ike Turner

Why is it okay for Beyonce to Make a song called Bow Down B#$%hes

But Rihanna and Lady Gaga are constantly dragged by the media and their distractions when they make similar songs and do similar things in their videos?

I am not a fan of any of them but I do notice that there is a unfair double standard when it comes to Beyonce. Just because I am not a fan of theres does not mean I can not acknowledge that some of their criticism is unfair when there are other artists that do the same thing that dont get criticized.


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They had to listen to the album and they gave her those ratings based off of the songs on the album but keep telling yourself that it was only because of .the way it was released.
I am not telling myself anything. I saw a few reviews that gave it a 6/10 and they said that the album sounds like the music that is already out on the radio and nothing new.

Why is it so impossible for you to consider that the hype generated by the way she released the album also played a role in how the critics rated it?


You are not being objective in this discussion because you are not taking into consideration that SOME critics rate songs and albums NOT just on the quality of the material.



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You might not have put her on the same level as Janelle but to even include her in the same sentence and say some wild crap like she's more talented and interesting is so way off base but that's subjective so whatever. You can feel that way but I don't agree one bit!
Kelis is more interesting to me because she actually has "personality" not just off stage but in her performances and in her music. She switches up her style and her genre as well. She does not follow trends or cares about chasing the charts. She is artistic, takes risk and is creative in her music, stage performances and music videos. She is fly. She covers a wide range of subject matter, writes her own music and plays instruments.

Check out this cool song from her upcoming album.
I think this song is better than anything Beyonce has ever released.






Highly doubt that.


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I'm not going to listen to her entire discography because Kelis isn't good like that and isn't worth my time. I've heard enough from her and I find most of her material boring.
What songs besides Milkshake have you heard DJ? lol



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She would have still gotten the same sales regardless of her competition.
Then why didn't she released her album when JT, Lady Gaga, Rihanna etc released there's if she would have gotten the same sells?

Her team is not stupid.

I don't even like JT but he still sold way more than she did and didn't have to do a silly PR tactic to get quick sells.




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If that's the case that the album sucked so badly and people weren't able to hear it from their friends that already bought it and it spread worth of mouth that people actually enjoyed it. Why is it that David Bowie's sales barely made 100k using the same tactic? Since you want to chalk it up to only the way it was distributed and nothing else.

I didn't mention sells not one time when I brought up David Bowie. David Bowie received acclaim for the QUALITY of his music, not for the sells. People were surprised because he had not released an album in 10 years. This man did not have the kind of commercial promotion Beyonce had. She had a tour, the Superbowl, the inauguration, etc AND then she dropped her album. Bowie did not have that...

He just dropped it with NO promotion.




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That's fine no one you know in your small circle doesn't talk about it but it's still been talked about regardless of what you think.
So are you reading my mind now? You don't know who I know or where I got the feedback that her album was not good. People talked about that album for a week and that was it. More people on the internet talked about it than people in real life. Regardless of what others think, the album simply was not that good period. That opinion comes from me actually listening to the album myself.


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I wasn't talking to you with that last statement. that was for the OP. The reason I say you have a personal issue with her is because you've been slagging off Beyonce for what seems like forever. Even before she released her last album. I get it you don't like her, Lady Gaga, Rihanna or Jay-Z. Why shouldn't she be proud of her body? Stripping naked isn't something to be ashamed of. It sounds like you are slut shaming her and she's in a monogamous relationship with a child of her own.
I don't slag her at every opportunity. lol This thread is about her album and I am just giving my opinion on it.

It is nothing wrong with being proud of your body but I find issue with a woman who calls them self a role model for young girls but then shows their ass in videos and acts like a slut knowing that most of her fans are young underage impressionable girls. You cant have it both ways. You cant say you care about children and then turn around and act like that in your videos. You cant be the slut AND the girl next door. I just think she does and says things for money doesn't really care about those young girls.

Janelle Monae is a better role model.
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Yes it is very surprising that David bowie, the insanely commercially popular artist for decades, can release an album that is popular. What a trendsetter this guy, whos net worth is in the hundreds of millions, is for laying low and not even putting any song from his new album into a single commercial!! (until his album dropped but c'mon that's not the same right) Everyone should take note on how this poor labyrinth star does music business the right way. Not like that scumbag Beyoncé. Just look at how many commercials she is in! shameful if you ask me.
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