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Old 05-30-2011, 09:09 PM   #411 (permalink)
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Wow lots of "you" statements in that post. You trying to guilt me into your viewpoint or something?

Also you obviously didnt get what I meant by ticking time bombs. I meant impressionable idiots who would listen to what Tyler was rapping about, believe in it, and act on it (i.e., killing ***gots and raping women). Had nothing to do with T&S

I dont agree with the double standard about how it's ok to rap about killing gays but not black people either.

Personally I wouldnt be offended if a rapper rapped about killing crackers. Maybe its because I don't consider my race a huge part of my identity? I mean, my whiteness doesn't dictate any part of my personality.

I don't know but I feel I could take the heat without getting offended, fully knowledgable that its a work of fiction. Obviously not everyone feels the same.
Well I was talking to YOU. That;s why 'YOU' was in my response, I'm not sure how that has anything to do with 'guilting you into my viewpoint' or whatever. I wouldn't be offended by anti-white comments either, but recognize that white men are the least oppressed people throughout the history of this country and we are still the majority. And ok, forget I said about ticking time bombs, you're still calling them crazy aren't you?? Please just tell me what is so crazy about gay women opposing anti-gay, rape lyrics?? I'm not being sarcastic with any of this, I literally don't understand why YOU and others either don't understand or hate how they handled it. It's not like they are all over national TV bashing Tyler, they made a post on their website about it.
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:09 PM   #412 (permalink)
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Like is it really that tough for you to understand? Why WOULDN'T a gay female be at least slightly offended by a up-and-coming rapper, whose audience is largely impressionable teens, rapping primarily about killings ***gots and raping women? I don't understand how people like you consider THEM crazy because they... put out a letter on their website stating their disapproval. Oh man! How insane of them!! They are gay women and they oppose anti-gay and rape lyrics!?!?! TIME BOMBS!!!
Because nobody is asking her to listen to it. All rap music is listened to by "impressionable" (oh my god, the poor children-what will they become!?!!) teens.

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And do you actually think anyone takes it super serious, as in thinking Tyler actually rapes or kills anyone? Surely they don't, and I feel like almost everyone realizes it's a character rapping... I wish I could think of a lifestyle equivalent that would be equally offensive to a white male, but I'm not sure there is one. But Like I said before, even as a character and obviously false, the black community would be OUTRAGED if someone as popular as Tyler (but white) was making half his songs about "killing niggers".
These hypothetical scenarios as an argument for why odd future is wrong are so ****ing stupid you guys are getting me real life pissed off.
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-Sorry for coming off as harsh, I don't hate you dude but this has been building up in this thread awhile cause it makes no damn sense to me how teagan and Sara are looked at as idiots because they oppose anti-gay and pro-rape lyrics.
Nobody is calling them idiots, they just are wrong, even if its for the right reasons (which it isnt)
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:16 PM   #413 (permalink)
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Because nobody is asking her to listen to it. All rap music is listened to by "impressionable" (oh my god, the poor children-what will they become!?!!) teens.
Just because nobody asked her to listen doesn't mean it's any less offensive to her. Odd Future has a considerably large following as and 'up and coming' rap group. So because Tyler didn't ask her to give them a listen, she shouldn't be offended? That's unbelievably stupid, please correct me if I'm interpreting you wrong.


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These hypothetical scenarios as an argument for why odd future is wrong are so ****ing stupid you guys are getting me real life pissed off.
It's not about them being right or wrong, it's about why people in this thread have a problem with their comments. The hypothetical scenario is a great example and parallel to what we are talking about. If a white guy made a CD which featured a lot of lyrics about "killing niggers" I bet most of you wouldn't challenge the black community that got outraged and pissed off about it. I think you'd even go as far as to join in their opposition. Maybe because it's gay women, you're prejudice shows a little bit? I'm not suggesting, just wondering aloud. Because I think opinions would be very different if it were anti-black lyrics being spewed. And again, there's nothing wrong with that hypothetical.
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:21 PM   #414 (permalink)
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Well I was talking to YOU. That;s why 'YOU' was in my response, I'm not sure how that has anything to do with 'guilting you into my viewpoint' or whatever. I wouldn't be offended by anti-white comments either, but recognize that white men are the least oppressed people throughout the history of this country and we are still the majority. And ok, forget I said about ticking time bombs, you're still calling them crazy aren't you?? Please just tell me what is so crazy about gay women opposing anti-gay, rape lyrics?? I'm not being sarcastic with any of this, I literally don't understand why YOU and others either don't understand or hate how they handled it. It's not like they are all over national TV bashing Tyler, they made a post on their website about it.
I dont hate Tegan & Sara (there music is a different story). I just have to ask what the point was of the post? How is this any different from the misogyny and homophobia thats been hip hop subject matter for decades?
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:22 PM   #415 (permalink)
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Just because nobody asked her to listen doesn't mean it's any less offensive to her. Odd Future has a considerably large following as and 'up and coming' rap group. So because Tyler didn't ask her to give them a listen, she shouldn't be offended? That's unbelievably stupid, please correct me if I'm interpreting you wrong.
Christianity has a huge following too. They're not that into homosexuality either, maybe she should go out of her way to pay attention to it and attack it.
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It's not about them being right or wrong, it's about why people in this thread have a problem with their comments. The hypothetical scenario is a great example and parallel to whadt we are talking about. If a white guy made a CD which featured a lot of lyrics about "killing niggers" I bet most of you wouldn't challenge the black community that got outraged and pissed off about it. I think you'd even go as far as to join in their opposition.
It's not a great example because for it to work you have to assume that odd future's music is sincere and has an agenda, and we can both agree that this isn't the case.

Like i said last time this bullshit came up, is that their definetly has been racist rap before, and it didn't become popular because most people can tell the difference(maybe you cant)between dark satirical humor and and legit hate.

hey, i even found some for ya
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=276238

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Maybe because it's gay women, you're prejudice shows a little bit? I'm not suggesting, just wondering aloud. Because I think opinions would be very different if it were anti-black lyrics being spewed. And again, there's nothing wrong with that hypothetical.
dude c'mon, i'm not going to let you bait me like this. I love all my sista's equally.
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:28 PM   #416 (permalink)
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YouTube - ‪Fans Stage Rushing Odd Future (NYC)‬‏

Hectic show.
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:29 PM   #417 (permalink)
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Stop with the hot topic connection. Plenty of stupid artists with stupider messages have crap at hot topic, it really doesn't matter.


That being said? This sentence has nothing to do with anything...

It's not legitimate because it's targeted at odd future, even though plenty of "mainstream" hip hop artists have gotten away with real homophobia for decades and made plenty of money off it.
Stop with the connection?
It's very relevant because they seem to want to make him their next poster child right now. I've seen countless HT ads featuring Tyler, they're building off the buzz.
What I meant by "That being said" was that many artists who have been sponsored by Hot Topic in the past have featured horrific and shocking lyrics, like Wu Tang Clan. What I meant by the sentence was that I can see the unfairness behind the criticism, but it has a lot to do with the context in which OFWGKTA has been introduced.
Basically, you're arguing that two wrongs make a right.
If Tegan and Sara don't target everyone, they can't target anyone.
So what if they're targeting Odd Future?
OFWGKTA happens to be the biggest buzzband that's come about in a while, and they have more horrifying lyrics than most groups.
These lyrics can easily be misconstrued with a teenage audience.
Seems legitimate to me.

By the way, good job with the condescending, pretentious attitude.
Why is it that a normal, rational discussion has to take that tone?
I did very little to provoke a response such as the one you provided.
I'm glad to see that people mature.
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Also, let me say that its not their opinions on Tyler, the Creator that bothers me about Tegan & Sara. It's this "call for change" they speak of. No, I dont want the world getting more PC then it already is. Because really, where do you draw the line on censorship? There'll always be someone out there offended by something.
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What I meant by "That being said" was that many artists who have been sponsored by Hot Topic in the past have featured horrific and shocking lyrics, like Wu Tang Clan. What I meant by the sentence was that I can see the unfairness behind the criticism, but it has a lot to do with the context in which OFWGKTA has been introduced.
So your saying it's bad that a corporate chain that has a long history sponsoring "horrific and shocking" acts decides to continue doing so?

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Basically, you're arguing that two wrongs make a right.
If Tegan and Sara don't target everyone, they can't target anyone.
So what if they're targeting Odd Future?
OFWGKTA happens to be the biggest buzzband that's come about in a while, and they have more horrifying lyrics than most groups.
These lyrics can easily be misconstrued with a teenage audience.
Seems legitimate to me.
No, my argument was that they should direct the criticism towards hip hop in general. I hear Lil Wayne on the radio (which gets played to millions of impressionable teens) say stuff like "after i bust a nut on her ill bust my gun and get rid of her"?
I'm all for cultural change in hip hop, just don't target the one group that is actually doing something positive.

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By the way, good job with the condescending, pretentious attitude.
Why is it that a normal, rational discussion has to take that tone?
I did very little to provoke a response such as the one you provided.
I'm glad to see that people mature.
Hey, it's the internet, interpret me however you want. Try going back and reading the post with a nice, soothing french accent.
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Old 05-30-2011, 09:37 PM   #420 (permalink)
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These hypothetical scenarios as an argument for why odd future is wrong are so ****ing stupid you guys are getting me real life pissed off.
Now the child comes out.
Well my line of argument is very different from the other member on here.
And, as I said previously, I like Tyler and OFWGKTA. I'm not just saying, "Oh they're wrong, and homophobes."
I'm trying to have a discussion based on a view of both sides of the coin, an ability you apparently lack.
By the way your spelling and demeanor are so bad you must be tweaking.
Or maybe just a prick, I can't tell either way.
Sorry to have provoked this terrible rage. I didn't know that you were actually in OFWGKTA.
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