Love or Hate?

YorkeDaddy · 06-23-2015, 07:30 AM

I'm actually legitimately concerned the WISSK album takes TH completely out of the mood for dark, droney instrumentals and he's just gonna hate having my album later today :P (assuming he gets the next three done today)

Machine · 06-23-2015, 08:40 AM

Hey I think this is the last one and I think you'll dig this one big time. If you haven't heard it already that is.

Opeth - Heritage

Edit: oops counted wrong this is out I guess then

The Batlord · 06-23-2015, 10:41 AM

Recs weren't even open twenty-four hours.

Trollheart · 06-23-2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Recs weren't even open twenty-four hours.

Yeah well it's more about the volume of recs. I now have over forty albums to listen to. Can you imagine how many I'd get if I left it open for a few days or more? I'd never get through them! It's all about survival of the fastest here!

Trollheart · 06-23-2015, 10:44 AM

Title: Knuckle in the mud
Artiste: Wolves in Sheepskin
Genre: Experimental
Familiarity: I've heard some of Frownland's material

Track 1(Love) Hold on, what is this? This actually sounds like MUSIC! Did I click on the wrong ... no, it's his album all right. This is not at all bad. Quite ambient so far. My only complaint is that it seems to be pretty much the same all the way through, and for a piece that runs for over seventeen minutes I would have expected perhaps a little more variety?
Track 2(Love) This has more a kind of jazzy, Waitsy feel with also the idea of being dumped right into the middle of a Twilight Zone episode. Good piano, horns are a little distracting but not too much so, good guitar. Kinda sounds like someone keeps opening a creaky gate?
Track 3 Seems a bit more mechanical. Gulp! Memories of that robot song surface like a thought-weighted-down corpse... Yeah I get the idea in the track, it just doesn't really interest me. And it's way too long, like about eighteen minutes.
Track 4(Hate) I wasn't aware Frownie was a muslim, but here he is at morning prayers!
Track 5(Hate) Now he's mowing his lawn. Yeah, this is more like the Frownland music I know and hate.
Track 6 Dear Lord, receive the soul of this poor sinner.... a half ****ing hour of one track? This will be fun! Well it's halfway through and I'm not pulling out what hair remains, so that's something, but don't expect this track to be anything other than Red or White. Oh look! It's White! Yeah; mostly bored. Trouble with a track of this unprecedented length is it's got to be interesting and this, well, isn't. Sorry.
Track 7(Hate) ****ing crickets???!!!

End result: I thought (hoped) I was finally getting something different from WISK and the first track raised my hopes, but after that it went severely downhill and never recovered. Some people have described this as “relaxing” and “ambient”. While that might apply to the first track, it certainly does not to the rest, and this is not something I would put on to relax or fall asleep to. Sorry Frown but I think that's it for you and I: you can have the kids, I just want the cat. And that cup. And your cowboy hat.

So, Love or Hate? Started off hoping, but it's a clear Hate I'm afraid.

Chances of a full review: 0/10

**Frownland** · 06-24-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Title: Knuckle in the mud
Artiste: Wolves in Sheepskin
Genre: Experimental
Familiarity: I've heard some of Frownland's material

Track 1(Love) Hold on, what is this? This actually sounds like MUSIC! Did I click on the wrong ... no, it's his album all right. This is not at all bad. Quite ambient so far. My only complaint is that it seems to be pretty much the same all the way through, and for a piece that runs for over seventeen minutes I would have expected perhaps a little more variety?

This track is the main reason I recommended the album to you. Don't expect too much variety when listening to a drone track, but imo this track jumps around a lot.

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Track 2(Love) This has more a kind of jazzy, Waitsy feel with also the idea of being dumped right into the middle of a Twilight Zone episode. Good piano, horns are a little distracting but not too much so, good guitar. Kinda sounds like someone keeps opening a creaky gate?

No horns or gates, just bass, flute, piano, and my friend's dog also makes an appearance. And of course you think it sounds like Tom Waits

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Track 4(Hate) I wasn't aware Frownie was a muslim, but here he is at morning prayers!

Huh? I have no idea how you got that connotation from that track, especially since the lyrics are about lesbian sex (if you can make them out).

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Track 7(Hate) ****ing crickets???!!!

Crickets, yes, but more importantly there are coyotes.

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End result: I thought (hoped) I was finally getting something different from WISK and the first track raised my hopes, but after that it went severely downhill and never recovered. Some people have described this as “relaxing” and “ambient”. While that might apply to the first track, it certainly does not to the rest, and this is not something I would put on to relax or fall asleep to. Sorry Frown but I think that's it for you and I: you can have the kids, I just want the cat. And that cup. And your cowboy hat.

So, Love or Hate? Started off hoping, but it's a clear Hate I'm afraid.

Chances of a full review: 0/10

Kind of figured that it would end up this way. It makes me wonder how you would receive the album if the tracks were arranged differently. Something like putting all of the relaxing and ambient tracks (ie Caught Between the Gears, Birth of the Emboweler, and Prodding a Pile of Rotten Meat) at the end instead of separating them.

Trollheart · 06-24-2015, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

No horns or gates, just bass, flute, piano, and my friend's dog also makes an appearance. And of course you think it sounds like Tom Waits

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I don't know if you're familiar with The Final Cut (I'm gonna assume you are)? It's like that sound just before "Your possible pasts" begins.

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Huh? I have no idea how you got that connotation from that track, especially since the lyrics are about lesbian sex (if you can make them out).

It was kind of a joke. You sound like one of those mullahs in the towers calling everyone to prayers. That kind of wailing noise you always hear.

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Crickets, yes, but more importantly there are coyotes.

Ah, but are there roadrunners?

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Kind of figured that it would end up this way. It makes me wonder how you would receive the album if the tracks were arranged differently. Something like putting all of the relaxing and ambient tracks (ie Caught Between the Gears, Birth of the Emboweler, and Prodding a Pile of Rotten Meat) at the end instead of separating them.

I was pretty desperate to find something of your music I would like and could write favourably about, as I think you're a great guy and a talented musician with some great (if odd) creative ideas. But I really struggled. I feel like a father listening to death metal and asking his kid why he can't play some nice rock and roll or something?

Maybe, maybe one day. Thanks for not being too offended though: I know this music is uber-important to you and I would not want to make fun of or belittle it, but this is the chance you take when you review the music of someone you know and respect.

**Frownland** · 06-24-2015, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I don't know if you're familiar with The Final Cut (I'm gonna assume you are)? It's like that sound just before "Your possible pasts" begins.

Ja, all the squeaks are from the flute. Stryder had just gotten it and was still learning.

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I was pretty desperate to find something of your music I would like and could write favourably about, as I think you're a great guy and a talented musician with some great (if odd) creative ideas. But I really struggled. I feel like a father listening to death metal and asking his kid why he can't play some nice rock and roll or something?

Maybe, maybe one day. Thanks for not being too offended though: I know this music is uber-important to you and I would not want to make fun of or belittle it, but this is the chance you take when you review the music of someone you know and respect.

On a couple of occasions my dad has asked me and my band why we don't play songs

And ja, you have to be thick skinned if you make this kind of music, even if it is your life. Imagine if John Zorn reacted negatively to all the criticism he gets, he'd have killed himself by age 25. Not to mention with all the **** I sling about bands like Marillion I should be able to take it as well as I give it.

You've always got the first two tracks along with Impressions (which I have you on record saying you liked, don't deny it) if you want to listen to the greatest recording artist of the 21st century.

The Batlord · 06-24-2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja, all the squeaks are from the flute. Stryder had just gotten it and was still learning.

**Goofle** · 06-23-2015, 10:58 AM

Btw TH, you an pick either Algiers or Golem to replace the upcoming Hit Vibes. Not really bothered which you get to first.

06-23-2015, 08:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Machine moon lake inc. Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Detroit Posts: 2,125	Hey I think this is the last one and I think you'll dig this one big time. If you haven't heard it already that is. Opeth - Heritage Edit: oops counted wrong this is out I guess then __________________ boost my ego listen to me stroke my delay pedal ever wanted to hear death grips songs... but they're acoustic? me neither. Last edited by Machine; 06-23-2015 at 09:44 AM.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Title: Knuckle in the mud Artiste: Wolves in Sheepskin Genre: Experimental Familiarity: I've heard some of Frownland's material Track 1(Love) Hold on, what is this? This actually sounds like MUSIC! Did I click on the wrong ... no, it's his album all right. This is not at all bad. Quite ambient so far. My only complaint is that it seems to be pretty much the same all the way through, and for a piece that runs for over seventeen minutes I would have expected perhaps a little more variety? Track 2(Love) This has more a kind of jazzy, Waitsy feel with also the idea of being dumped right into the middle of a Twilight Zone episode. Good piano, horns are a little distracting but not too much so, good guitar. Kinda sounds like someone keeps opening a creaky gate? Track 3 Seems a bit more mechanical. Gulp! Memories of that robot song surface like a thought-weighted-down corpse... Yeah I get the idea in the track, it just doesn't really interest me. And it's way too long, like about eighteen minutes. Track 4(Hate) I wasn't aware Frownie was a muslim, but here he is at morning prayers! Track 5(Hate) Now he's mowing his lawn. Yeah, this is more like the Frownland music I know and hate. Track 6 Dear Lord, receive the soul of this poor sinner.... a half ***ing hour of one track? This will* be fun! Well it's halfway through and I'm not pulling out what hair remains, so that's something, but don't expect this track to be anything other than Red or White. Oh look! It's White! Yeah; mostly bored. Trouble with a track of this unprecedented length is it's got to be interesting and this, well, isn't. Sorry. Track 7(Hate) **ing crickets???!!! End result: I thought (hoped) I was finally getting something different from WISK and the first track raised my hopes, but after that it went severely downhill and never recovered. Some people have described this as “relaxing” and “ambient”. While that might apply to the first track, it certainly does not to the rest, and this is not something I would put on to relax or fall asleep to. Sorry Frown but I think that's it for you and I: you can have the kids, I just want the cat. And that cup. And your cowboy hat. So, Love or Hate? Started off hoping, but it's a clear Hate I'm afraid. Chances of a full review:** 0/10 __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018